Full Cost of Attendance

[ubuntuCAT]

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Not really....or even close









I think there are only 3 or 4 FCS schools that make money - NDSU, Montana, Montana State and Liberty. To put it in perspective, App State and Georgia Southern each turned a 3-5 million dollar profit in the FCS. They are now in the 8-12 million DEFICIT.

We are talking about FOOTBALL programs that make money NOT ATHLETIC DEPARTMENTS.

[ubuntuCAT]

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Touche. Go read the freaking article that was linked. I will take that as fact more than you yelling back at me on a message board from your basement.

Which article says only 20 football programs make money? I saw where 20 athletic departments made money but far more football programs make money.

[vbfan19]

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Which article says only 20 football programs make money? I saw where 20 athletic departments made money but far more football programs make money.

you can't have a collegiate football team without an athletic dept. and its related expenses, so there is no clearcut way to determine the budget for solely the football program.

[Trapped in California]

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[Kyle]

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you can't have a collegiate football team without an athletic dept. and its related expenses, so there is no clearcut way to determine the budget for solely the football program.

BS.

Every school knows exactly what sports make money and what sports lose money. Dannen wasn't drawing numbers out of a hat when he decided to cut baseball.

Shared administrative expenses are about as simple for an accountant to understand as any other cost of doing business. Any CPA worth his or her salt will be able to allocate shared administrative and facility expenses with pinpoint accuracy.

[Blue42]

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BS.

Every school knows exactly what sports make money and what sports lose money. Dannen wasn't drawing numbers out of a hat when he decided to cut baseball.

Shared administrative expenses are about as simple for an accountant to understand as any other cost of doing business. Any CPA worth his or her salt will be able to allocate shared administrative and facility expenses with pinpoint accuracy.

Have to agree. Every AD has built the spreadsheet to split out revenue and expenses by sport.

Some components are less exact than others...but they could get it close enough.

[Gocats15]

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It's not even that. Tons of football programs make money. The entire athletic department doesn't make money at nearly as many schools because football subsidizes all the sports nobody cares about. But this conversation was about how many football programs make money.

What is there 60 power 5 teams? Is it even possible for a power 5 team to not make money on football? Hell even ISU gets like $20M from the Big12 with the huge majority of that from football.

I'm very confident NDSU makes money on Football.

Football is not as profitable as some of you think. Football is very expensive to fund, so even though it generates more revenues, the higher expenses offset it at some of the smaller schools. The new tv deals in the power 5 will help at those schools now, but in the recent past it hasn't been that easy. I mean, just a few years ago UCONN lost almost 2 million dollars for appearing in the Fiesta bowl due to travel expenses and a lack of ticket sales. There's just so many significant football expenses that don't exist in some of the other sports. The equipment is way more expensive, and instead of having 20 athletes, many schools have 100. Also, a football game requires significantly more employees than other sports. Not to mention recruiting expenses, facility upgrades, and other expenses most people don't realize exist.

[ubuntuCAT]

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Football is not as profitable as some of you think. Football is very expensive to fund, so even though it generates more revenues, the higher expenses offset it at some of the smaller schools. The new tv deals in the power 5 will help at those schools now, but in the recent past it hasn't been that easy. I mean, just a few years ago UCONN lost almost 2 million dollars for appearing in the Fiesta bowl due to travel expenses and a lack of ticket sales. There's just so many significant football expenses that don't exist in some of the other sports. The equipment is way more expensive, and instead of having 20 athletes, many schools have 100. Also, a football game requires significantly more employees than other sports. Not to mention recruiting expenses, facility upgrades, and other expenses most people don't realize exist.

nobody is talking about the smaller schools or all schools. The comment was made that only 30 football programs make money. And that is simply not true.

[vbfan19]

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so thus far, we have some sources with reports claiming that very few schools make a profit from their football program, while on the opposing viewpoint we have people repeatedly claiming "that's not true", but without any corroborating data.

[ubuntuCAT]

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so thus far, we have some sources with reports claiming that very few schools make a profit from their football program, while on the opposing viewpoint we have people repeatedly claiming "that's not true", but without any corroborating data.

Show me the sources

[GonzoCat]

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I have no idea what you are arguing.

Reading is hard. Reading comprehension is pretty much a lost art, judging on message boards.

[95UNIGRAD]

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http://www.ethosreview.org/intellect...ll-profitable/

Interesting article - his point seems to be that the upper-echelon teams make so much money that football is profitable and supports the athletic dept., but it's a steep drop off after the Alabamas of the college football world.

[ubuntuCAT]

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http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/2010RevExp.pdf

FBS
• Between 50 and 60 percent of football and men’s basketball programs
have reported net generated revenues (surpluses) for each of the seven
years reported. This percentage has been relatively stable. (3.6)

FCS

Only four percent of football programs and five percent of men’s
basketball programs, and one percent of women’s basketball
programs reported net generated revenues (surpluses) for 2010,
which is consistent over recent years. These net generated revenues
are minimal. The median losses for the remaining programs in 2010
are $1,615,000 for football, $622,000 for men’s basketball, and
$779,000 for women’s basketball. (4.6)

To summarize for all of the reading problems I've seen in this thread. Over half of FBS schools make money on football and basketball every year. 4 percent of FCS football programs make money on football 5 percent on basketball. Take the low side (50%) and that means what 64 FBS made money? Plus another 5 FCS schools made money in each of the last 7 years.

I'm not great at math but to me 69 is far greater than 22. (previously stated that only 22 football programs make money).

[Panther100]

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BS.

Every school knows exactly what sports make money and what sports lose money. Dannen wasn't drawing numbers out of a hat when he decided to cut baseball.

Shared administrative expenses are about as simple for an accountant to understand as any other cost of doing business. Any CPA worth his or her salt will be able to allocate shared administrative and facility expenses with pinpoint accuracy.

I would estimate the Men's BB team would need to qualify for the NCAA Tourney to balance the annual budget with FCOA. I understand Men's BB and Volleyball have been approved.

[Panther100]

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I would hope to have FCOA with Men's/Women's BB, Volleyball, and wrestling. The wrestling scholarships would have to equal volleyball to avoid a title 9 issue. I would think that all sports would put us over budget each year. Alcohol sales would help. Winning would be the best cure.