Full Cost of Attendance

[BCPanther]

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Two mens sports will not go away. Getting rid of golf wouldn't save any money, as I don't think they give scholarships. And there's no way we get rid of our mens track or XC, as isn't there a proposed facility upgrade floating in the near future? And they aren't touching football, basketball, or wrestling due to our success in those sports. Track and XC will likely be reduced in terms of funding but will likely still exist. Maybe title 9 will be revised by then? The way title 9 is set up is so restricting and instead of creating opportunities, it is pretty much destroying them.

Agreed.

***NOTE--I AM NOT ADVOCATING CUTTING WRESTLING***

Wrestling is the only sport we could cut and save significant money, but that won't happen.

[DomeIsHome]

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Agreed.

***NOTE--I AM NOT ADVOCATING CUTTING WRESTLING***

Wrestling is the only sport we could cut and save significant money, but that won't happen.

Wait...are you advocating CUTTING WRESTLING!?!?....

Lol j/k

[Panther100]

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Two mens sports will not go away. Getting rid of golf wouldn't save any money, as I don't think they give scholarships. And there's no way we get rid of our mens track or XC, as isn't there a proposed facility upgrade floating in the near future? And they aren't touching football, basketball, or wrestling due to our success in those sports. Track and XC will likely be reduced in terms of funding but will likely still exist. Maybe title 9 will be revised by then? The way title 9 is set up is so restricting and instead of creating opportunities, it is pretty much destroying them.

Athletics can be dropped and we would still need the reserve to balance the budget. However, athletics creates educational opportunities, entertains the public, and creates donation funds.

[panther-state]

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Agreed.

***NOTE--I AM NOT ADVOCATING CUTTING WRESTLING***

Wrestling is the only sport we could cut and save significant money, but that won't happen.

BC, seriously, stop this rampant and uncalled for attack on our wrestling program.!!!!

[GonzoCat]

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It doesn't matter what you are or are not advocating, your premise that wrestling is the only sport we could cut and save significant money is still wrong. Wrestling is undoubtedly our third most profitable* sport.



*or losses the third least amount of money as the case may be.

[Panthers to the Bone]

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Gonzo- I too believe BC is right. T&F and XC counts as 3 sports (XC/Indoor/Outdoor) and we need as many sports as we currently can in order to stay D1 eligible. You must have at least 6 mens sports and 8 women's sports. UNI has 7 men's sports and since they can't cut a female sport (due to title 9), that leaves golf, XC, or wrestling (in addition to basketball and football which aren't going to happen). XC athletes are the same ones used as T&F (but counted separately for D1 eligibility to get to a minimum of 6 men's sports). Cost of XC is the smallest of all sports. 10 dudes, a van, and a coach (that's the same as the women's team). Golf is 8 dudes, a van, and the same golf coach as the women. Last I knew there were no scholarships with men's golf. Again, negligible benefits in cutting the sport.

That leaves wrestling. It won't be cut, b/c I don't think UNI will need to cut sports. They are moving in the right direction financially and wrestling is pulling their weight (at least they appear to be doing so). I really think UNI is in better position financially than all the other MVC schools besides Wichita.

[BCPanther]

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It doesn't matter what you are or are not advocating, your premise that wrestling is the only sport we could cut and save significant money is still wrong. Wrestling is undoubtedly our third most profitable* sport.



*or losses the third least amount of money as the case may be.

Let's say wrestling sells out the building in season tickets. The gross income on that is $81,900 ($39 x 2100 seats). Wrestling also has its own booster club, so the ardent wrestling supporters are putting their money towards that club rather than the PSC, or at least more of it to the wrestling club than to the PSC. All of the wrestling club money it's going to facility upgrades and not to running the program.

9.9 scholarships = 160,000. Doug's salary is 0 thanks to the endowment. Two assistant coaches cost around $100,000. The move to the MAC has increased travel costs.

I would imagine we lose more money on wrestling than volleyball or women's basketball. Obviously, TITLE IX and our Valley membership say we can't cut those sports.

The only possible savings we could find would be wrestling, which won't happen.

Again, I want to make it clear that I am not anti-wrestling. Just putting numbers out there.

[Unionpanther]

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BC I think you are wrong on costs, here are the D1 limits for scholarships (Most of the sports travel more than wrestling too adding to their expenses and I belief the Panther wrestling club helps with hotel rooms on trips): from wikipedia NCAA Division I article

All D-I schools must field teams in at least seven sports for men and seven for women or six for men and eight for women, with at least two team sports for each gender.[6] Division I schools must meet minimum financial aid awards for their athletics program, and there are maximum financial aid awards for each sport that a Division I school cannot exceed. There are several other NCAA sanctioned minimums and differences that distinguish Division I from Divisions II and III.[6] Each playing season has to be represented by each gender as well. There are contest and participant minimums for each sport, as well as scheduling criteria. For sports other than football and basketball, Division I schools must play 100 percent of the minimum number of contests against Division I opponents—anything over the minimum number of games has to be 50 percent Division I. Men's and women's basketball teams have to play all but two games against Division I teams; for men, they must play one-third of all their contests in the home arena.[7]

NCAA DI FCS (Football Championship Series)

Division I FCS schools are currently restricted to giving financial assistance amounting to 63 full scholarships. As FCS football is an "equivalency" sport (as opposed to the "head-count" status of FBS football), Championship Subdivision schools may divide their allotment into partial scholarships. However, FCS schools may only have 85 players receiving any sort of athletic financial aid for football—the same numeric limit as FBS schools.

Women's team sports
N Sport Teams Conf Scholarships per team Season
1 Basketball 348 32 15 Winter
2 Soccer 327 32 14.0 Fall
3 Volleyball 332 32 12 Fall
4 Softball 291 32 12.0 Spring
5 Rowing 88 12 20.0 Spring
6 Lacrosse 103 13 12.0 Spring
7 Fld Hockey 79 11 12.0 Fall
8 Ice Hockey 36 4 18.0 Winter
9 Water Polo 34 6 8.0 Spring
10 Rugby† 12 -- 12.0
11 Beach VB 14 1 6.0* Spring

Women's swimming is allowed 14.0 scholarships, Golf 6.0 T&F with XC 18.0 and women's tennis has 8.0

[DomeIsHome]

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Let's say wrestling sells out the building in season tickets. The gross income on that is $81,900 ($39 x 2100 seats). Wrestling also has its own booster club, so the ardent wrestling supporters are putting their money towards that club rather than the PSC, or at least more of it to the wrestling club than to the PSC. All of the wrestling club money it's going to facility upgrades and not to running the program.

9.9 scholarships = 160,000. Doug's salary is 0 thanks to the endowment. Two assistant coaches cost around $100,000. The move to the MAC has increased travel costs.

I would imagine we lose more money on wrestling than volleyball or women's basketball. Obviously, TITLE IX and our Valley membership say we can't cut those sports.

The only possible savings we could find would be wrestling, which won't happen.

Again, I want to make it clear that I am not anti-wrestling. Just putting numbers out there.

I mostly just skimmed this (I'm really tired, it has nothing to do with you), but Schwab's salary is NOT covered in the endowment yet. The initial article on this was wrong. The endowment will take effect posthumously, after Mrs. Stevens passes away.

I was just made aware of this a few weeks ago, it's not widely known I don't believe.

[Panthers to the Bone]

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The bottom line is XC, Golf, and Wrestling are the only ones that can be discussed due to the reasons in my previous post. Travel for XC and Golf are minimal. Some XC meets are same day travel. And agin I don't think golf has any scholarships. Scholarships cost more than travel costs for most part.

[Unionpanther]

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Can a sport with no scholarships be counted towards the Division 1 minimum number of sports? UNI appears to have 7 men's sports (BB, FB, WR, XC, T&F in and out, Golf) and 10 women's sports (BB, VB, Swim, Golf, Soccer, XC, T&F in and out, Tennis, Softball.) I have no idea what the various conferences require in terms of sports to participate in that conference. Not that I'm advocating it, but if you go to a 7 men's and 7 women's sports, you could save almost 40.0 scholarships by dropping soccer, swimming, softball.

[GonzoCat]

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What you're basically saying Bone is not that wrestling is the only sport that could be cut to achieve significant savings, but more that wrestling is the only sport that could be cut period.

That's closer to the truth. I don't consider the amount that could be saved from cutting wrestling to be significant relative to the entire AD budget deficit, and especially considering UNIs national status and history in wrestling. There are donations made to the wrestling program besides the PWC and the endowment, and there are donations made to the PSC that would be discontinued if wrestling were cut.

[Gocats15]

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skyrocketing athletic expenses are what is destroying opportunities.
Title IX ensures that schools can't rob their womens sports in order to feed their football/MBB industries.

I understand that skyrocketing expenses are destroying opportunities. But title ix is part of the problem. Not trying to sound like I'm discriminating against women in sports, but the honest truth is that the funding for the sports shouldn't be equal. Sports like football cost extensively more and require larger teams, although they provide greater revenues to offset these expenses. Also, participation numbers in football are higher than pretty much every other sport at the high school level.

Schools are being forced to cut sports like baseball, mens track, soccer, etc in order to have equal funding. This is taking away opportunities from athletes who could be D1 athletes if more schools could offer the sports. Instead, pretty much every school is offering womens softball, soccer, field hockey, etc which don't have as high of participation numbers at the HS level. A female athlete who probably doesn't deserve a full or partial scholarship is getting one due to the "equality" requirement, whereas male athletes who could be borderline D1 in sports like soccer and baseball are left out, as there are significantly less programs, meaning less opportunities. I know it sounds discriminatory, but the honest truth is that there are more males participating in sports at the HS level, meaning the college D1 numbers should reflect this instead of being equal.

[Panther100]

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I understand that skyrocketing expenses are destroying opportunities. But title ix is part of the problem. Not trying to sound like I'm discriminating against women in sports, but the honest truth is that the funding for the sports shouldn't be equal. Sports like football cost extensively more and require larger teams, although they provide greater revenues to offset these expenses. Also, participation numbers in football are higher than pretty much every other sport at the high school level.

Schools are being forced to cut sports like baseball, mens track, soccer, etc in order to have equal funding. This is taking away opportunities from athletes who could be D1 athletes if more schools could offer the sports. Instead, pretty much every school is offering womens softball, soccer, field hockey, etc which don't have as high of participation numbers at the HS level. A female athlete who probably doesn't deserve a full or partial scholarship is getting one due to the "equality" requirement, whereas male athletes who could be borderline D1 in sports like soccer and baseball are left out, as there are significantly less programs, meaning less opportunities. I know it sounds discriminatory, but the honest truth is that there are more males participating in sports at the HS level, meaning the college D1 numbers should reflect this instead of being equal.

True. Title 9 is the way of the college athletic world. Too many equal rights activists would go to court. I would think Title 9 is here to stay.

[Cap'n Cat]

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An outdoor football stadium would help all this.