Full Cost of Attendance

[DomeIsHome]

Re: Full Cost of Attendance

We're not talking about the past we're talking about the future. You think UND recruiting is going to change in a hurry if they are offering $4,000/yr (or whatever their amount is) and only 2 or 3 other FCS schools are doing it?

I think we are going to see more FCS schools take the plunge and if UNI isn't one of them it's going to be significant hit to UNI Athletics financially.

No, I don't. It will probably change a little bit, but I don't think that they will steal recruits away from UNI.

[wretched]

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Since 2000 North Dakota football results:
Division II
2000: 8-4
2001: 14-1, playoffs
2002: 6-5
2003: 12-2, NCAA Finals
2004: 11-3, playoffs
2005: 10-3, playoffs
2006: 11-2, playoffs (with a win over UNI coincidentally)
2007: 10-2, playoffs
ND Joins the FCS
2008: 6-4
2009: 6-5
2010: 3-8
2011: 8-3
2012: 5-6
2013: 3-8
2014: 5-7
Total: 36-42

What I'm trying to get across is that until North Dakota sustains, or even makes the playoffs, in FCS ball, I'm not worried about them stealing recruits from anyone let alone UNI. NDSU of course makes more sense because they win. If a recruit can go to a school, get paid, and win, they're probably going to that school. If a recruit can go to a school, get paid and only win 5 games on the year, or go to a school, still have a full scholarship, and win 8 or 9 games a year with a playoff win and perhaps a win over an FBS school, well they would have to make that decision I suppose.

I know that NDSU has a had a ton of success in FCS ball, but North Dakota hasn't. Until they do, I'm not going to worry about their COA situation. Now if, like I said before, other schools around the country suddenly start giving out the full COA, that's a dangerous game, and one that I think should be talked about both on a conference level and on a Sub-Division level.

I am a new fan so don't know the entire history and just for arguements sake let's just say you are correct about UND continuing to be a medicore FCS program and that in fact no other FCS schools in the recruiting region jump on board with the FCOA, you still have not answered the NDSU question about them robbing the top 5-8 FCS recruits in Iowa on a year in and year out basis. Recruits that UNI gets and wins with from my limited understanding of the past UNI football. Maybe a different HC at NDSU would not focus on recruiting Iowa but with Klieman there and his want to stick it to Farley I think there is signifigant reason to be worried even if this thing does not snowball. What happends when SDSU or USD or another Valley team decides to offer the FCOA, now your getting squeezzed from all over. My point is that even best case scenerio I think UNI football recruiting is going to take a signifigant hit.

[DomeIsHome]

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I am a new fan so don't know the entire history and just for arguements sake let's just say you are correct about UND continuing to be a medicore FCS program and that in fact no other FCS schools in the recruiting region jump on board with the FCOA, you still have not answered the NDSU question about them robbing the top 5-8 FCS recruits in Iowa on a year in and year out basis. Recruits that UNI gets and wins with from my limited understanding of the past UNI football. Maybe a different HC at NDSU would not focus on recruiting Iowa but with Klieman there and his want to stick it to Farley I think there is signifigant reason to be worried even if this thing does not snowball. What happends when SDSU or USD or another Valley team decides to offer the FCOA, now your getting squeezzed from all over. My point is that even best case scenerio I think UNI football recruiting is going to take a signifigant hit.

There's another thread on the NDSU question, and several posters there have summed up my feelings on the Bison offering COA (mainly I think we need a conference rule on it, all or none).

[wretched]

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There's another thread on the NDSU question, and several posters there have summed up my feelings on the Bison offering COA (mainly I think we need a conference rule on it, all or none).

Yep I saw that and probably should have just posted my original thoughts on that thread and I actually agree with you on the need for the Valley to make a decision on FCOA but I just don't think it is going to happen b/c it would have already happened.

[ubuntuCAT]

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No, I don't. It will probably change a little bit, but I don't think that they will steal recruits away from UNI.

Think UNI will be impacted when YSU, Montana, and SDSU are doing it as well?

[06panther10]

UNI has to find the money to offer COA, its just that simple. Its an absolute necessity of competing at a high level going forward.

[ubuntuCAT]

Re: Full Cost of Attendance

UNI has to find the money to offer COA, its just that simple. Its an absolute necessity of competing at a high level going forward.

Yep. NDSU just made another subdivision of FCS and UNI isn't in it.

[BCPanther]

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UNI has to find the money to offer COA, its just that simple. Its an absolute necessity of competing at a high level going forward.

Totally agree with this. We've got to find the cash so that when the next split comes we assure ourselves of being in the second tier regardless of what that tier looks like financially.

[panther-state]

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Any team offering COA for football and has recruiters with half-a-brain will shoot to the top of FCS football over the next few seasons. As long as there is just a small number of them, that minority will have the most influence over their recruit pools, compared to peers who are not offering it. All a coach has to say is that this is "a new era of ______ football. We're committed to making you one of the men that helps us reach these new heights as a program". Add in a scholarship and COA stipend and a lot of kids will eat that up compared to "look at our tradition and success as a program". Not all of them, but enough that you see it negatively effect us.

[EVSPanther]

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Side note to an earlier argument questioning cutting sports. Isn't there a minimum number of sports a DI school has to have in order to remain DI? I thought I read that somewhere, but might be mistaken. I was thinking I heard we were on or close to that line the way it is, so any cutting of additional sports would be out of the question, right?

I agree UNI needs to figure this out ASAP. And maybe Dannen already has, but has remained mum on the topic for now for a good reason. This CoA is making the world of college sports more and more interesting. As someone who has been in college athletics, I get it to a point, but I also see a big problem with it. Not in my hands though, so it should be interesting to see how it shakes out.

[claw]

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Side note to an earlier argument questioning cutting sports. Isn't there a minimum number of sports a DI school has to have in order to remain DI? I thought I read that somewhere, but might be mistaken. I was thinking I heard we were on or close to that line the way it is, so any cutting of additional sports would be out of the question, right?

I agree UNI needs to figure this out ASAP. And maybe Dannen already has, but has remained mum on the topic for now for a good reason. This CoA is making the world of college sports more and more interesting. As someone who has been in college athletics, I get it to a point, but I also see a big problem with it. Not in my hands though, so it should be interesting to see how it shakes out.

14 sports to be D1


Money has too, and will be found. I suspect by next year

[Trapped in California]

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I am voting against the entire idea of COA in FCS football. FCS was expressly created to limit expenses. With the number of FBS payday games availability recently shrinking by about 10% (maybe more soon?), its a double whammy.

The law of unintended consequences has struck again.

[06panther10]

I agree Trapped, I would fully support a division-wide ban on offering COA for football. I agree that the entire idea seems counterintuitive for FCS.

However, if it is allowed, as it appears, and peers like NDSU and the like are offering it, it is a must for UNI and there just is no way around it.

[claw]

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I agree Trapped, I would fully support a division-wide ban on offering COA for football. I agree that the entire idea seems counterintuitive for FCS.

However, if it is allowed, as it appears, and peers like NDSU and the like are offering it, it is a must for UNI and there just is no way around it.

Also 100% my thoughts. It seems completely against the idea of the FCS, but it is an absolute must do if our peers are.

[Panther AC]

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I honestly don't think the MVFC or FCS subdivision of DI has the authority to tell member schools that they can't fund COA. The leagues and NCAA set minimum requirements for number of sports that must be offered for DI status, even going so far as to tell them which sports they must offer (in the case of MVC it's men's and women's basketball and volleyball). But the leagues don't have the authority to put a maximum on the number of sports that a member institution can offer, nor do they have the authority to tell a school the minimum or maximum amount they can pay coaches. I realize the NCAA puts maximum limits on the number of scholarships for each sport but in this case, I don't think they can tell member institutions that they are forbidden from giving COA to all sports.