Full Cost of Attendance

[ubuntuCAT]

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They might be but with 21 sports and a new stadium under construction they have a lot on their plate when it comes to putting the money together for this.

It wouldn't shock me if USD is next.

Unless you are flush with cash (power 5) or have a donor providing specific funds for cost of attendance, I have no idea why you would fund it for every sport.

[claw]

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Unless you are flush with cash (power 5) or have a donor providing specific funds for cost of attendance, I have no idea why you would fund it for every sport.

If you're going to to football you have to do every women's sport. Men's sports, other than basketball, is going to cost very little. Also, good luck funding all men's sports but not basketball.

[BCPanther]

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Wrestling is really the only sport that we could cut and save a bunch of money, but I don't see that happening.

[ubuntuCAT]

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Also, good luck funding all men's sports but not basketball.

why would anyone do that?

[ubuntuCAT]

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Wrestling is really the only sport that we could cut and save a bunch of money, but I don't see that happening.

It's certainly the one that stands out. I know resources have been pumped into wrestling recently (by UNI standards) but if keeping it means football loses something I think it's a mistake.

If wrestling was cut could UNI cut a women's sport also? That's some serious $$ then.

[DomeIsHome]

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Wrestling is really the only sport that we could cut and save a bunch of money, but I don't see that happening.

Whoa whoa whoa lets not get crazy here

Seriously though I'm not in favor of cutting any sport. I know that funds are tight and everything, I'm just not a fan of dropping sports to boost up another (and I'm a crazy football fan too). I'm completely aware of the situation that UNI is in with football re: donations and money, but I hated when UNI dropped baseball and how it was handled, and I don't know that cutting more is the best solution. It is amazing to see what UNI has done over the past several years with fund raising and how it's handled the costs of having successful D1 program across all sports.

I think we (FCS football fans) are overreacting a little too much here. Just because the two North Dakota schools (and really, only one matters for football) are offering COA doesn't mean that the rest of the FCS will. Like someone said in another thread, the NDSU move must have been kept fairly quiet, as Dannen and other AD's out there have said they hadn't heard any rumors about anybody offering it. I think it's important for FCS schools, and conferences, do what is best for them, but remember that FCS schools are FCS for a reason, and for most that reason is money. I can't really see a whole lot of other schools following suit with the North Dakota's, except maybe where FCS schools are all they have, and the only example I can come up with right now is Montana.

[ubuntuCAT]

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Whoa whoa whoa lets not get crazy here

Seriously though I'm not in favor of cutting any sport. I know that funds are tight and everything, I'm just not a fan of dropping sports to boost up another (and I'm a crazy football fan too). I'm completely aware of the situation that UNI is in with football re: donations and money, but I hated when UNI dropped baseball and how it was handled, and I don't know that cutting more is the best solution. It is amazing to see what UNI has done over the past several years with fund raising and how it's handled the costs of having successful D1 program across all sports.

I think we (FCS football fans) are overreacting a little too much here. Just because the two North Dakota schools (and really, only one matters for football) are offering COA doesn't mean that the rest of the FCS will. Like someone said in another thread, the NDSU move must have been kept fairly quiet, as Dannen and other AD's out there have said they hadn't heard any rumors about anybody offering it. I think it's important for FCS schools, and conferences, do what is best for them, but remember that FCS schools are FCS for a reason, and for most that reason is money. I can't really see a whole lot of other schools following suit with the North Dakota's, except maybe where FCS schools are all they have, and the only example I can come up with right now is Montana.

I don't think we are over-reacting. I think we will lose a ton of recruits to NDSU/ND... and others because there's going to be more schools paying as we go.

[GonzoCat]

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It's certainly the one that stands out. I know resources have been pumped into wrestling recently (by UNI standards) but if keeping it means football loses something I think it's a mistake.

If wrestling was cut could UNI cut a women's sport also? That's some serious $$ then.

No we could not cut a women's sport, UNI is not close to being Title IX compliant.

Cutting wrestling would be a huge mistake that would not result in a net loss reduction. I'm positive it is not being considered by anyone in authority. People on here proposing don't know what they are talking about.

[BCPanther]

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Um...

I full on said that it's not happening. The first part is factual, it's the only sport we could cut and save a bunch of money. Please read the full sentence.

[GonzoCat]

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Um...

I full on said that it's not happening. The first part is factual, it's the only sport we could cut and save a bunch of money. Please read the full sentence.

No you didn't, you said you don't see it happening, which implies you think it should, but some unseen powers that be won't allow it even though it would be the smart financial move.

You wouldn't know a smart financial move if it bit you in the arse. Cutting wresting, much like football, would cost UNI more than it would save.

Please learn reading and writing comprehension.

[ubuntuCAT]

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No we could not cut a women's sport, UNI is not close to being Title IX compliant.

Cutting wrestling would be a huge mistake that would not result in a net loss reduction. I'm positive it is not being considered by anyone in authority. People on here proposing don't know what they are talking about.

If UNI did cut a Men's sport why couldn't they also cut a similar Women's sport? They'd be no more in or out of compliance than they are now or have been for years.

Does UNI give the full 9.9 wrestling scholarships? You can't tell me that cutting 20 scholarships from the budget and 2 coaching staffs (if equal women's sport was cut) wouldn't positively impact the budget.

I guess I'm not saying UNI absolutely should cut more sports or if Wrestling is the one. What I am saying is if cutting sports meant we could fund full cost of attendance in football, we should do it now. Can't imagine how bad the budget situation would be at UNI if football becomes irrelevant.

[ubuntuCAT]

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You wouldn't know a smart financial move if it bit you in the arse. Cutting wresting, much like football, would cost UNI more than it would save.

I know very little about Wrestling or specifics of UNI wrestling but please explain this statement.

[BCPanther]

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No you didn't, you said you don't see it happening, which implies you think it should, but some unseen powers that be won't allow it even though it would be the smart financial move.

You wouldn't know a smart financial move if it bit you in the arse. Cutting wresting, much like football, would cost UNI more than it would save.

Please learn reading and writing comprehension.

Wow. So, you're reading all of that into the back half of a sentence??

I don't think we should cut it, its one of three sports where we have the ability to be competitive nationally at the highest level. It would be a huge mistake.

However, the first part of the statement is absolutely true. It's the only sport we could cut that would save a ton of money.

[DomeIsHome]

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I don't think we are over-reacting. I think we will lose a ton of recruits to NDSU/ND... and others because there's going to be more schools paying as we go.

Since 2000 North Dakota football results:
Division II
2000: 8-4
2001: 14-1, playoffs
2002: 6-5
2003: 12-2, NCAA Finals
2004: 11-3, playoffs
2005: 10-3, playoffs
2006: 11-2, playoffs (with a win over UNI coincidentally)
2007: 10-2, playoffs
ND Joins the FCS
2008: 6-4
2009: 6-5
2010: 3-8
2011: 8-3
2012: 5-6
2013: 3-8
2014: 5-7
Total: 36-42

What I'm trying to get across is that until North Dakota sustains, or even makes the playoffs, in FCS ball, I'm not worried about them stealing recruits from anyone let alone UNI. NDSU of course makes more sense because they win. If a recruit can go to a school, get paid, and win, they're probably going to that school. If a recruit can go to a school, get paid and only win 5 games on the year, or go to a school, still have a full scholarship, and win 8 or 9 games a year with a playoff win and perhaps a win over an FBS school, well they would have to make that decision I suppose.

I know that NDSU has a had a ton of success in FCS ball, but North Dakota hasn't. Until they do, I'm not going to worry about their COA situation. Now if, like I said before, other schools around the country suddenly start giving out the full COA, that's a dangerous game, and one that I think should be talked about both on a conference level and on a Sub-Division level.

[ubuntuCAT]

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Since 2000 North Dakota football results:
Division II
2000: 8-4
2001: 14-1, playoffs
2002: 6-5
2003: 12-2, NCAA Finals
2004: 11-3, playoffs
2005: 10-3, playoffs
2006: 11-2, playoffs (with a win over UNI coincidentally)
2007: 10-2, playoffs
ND Joins the FCS
2008: 6-4
2009: 6-5
2010: 3-8
2011: 8-3
2012: 5-6
2013: 3-8
2014: 5-7
Total: 36-42

What I'm trying to get across is that until North Dakota sustains, or even makes the playoffs, in FCS ball, I'm not worried about them stealing recruits from anyone let alone UNI. NDSU of course makes more sense because they win. If a recruit can go to a school, get paid, and win, they're probably going to that school. If a recruit can go to a school, get paid and only win 5 games on the year, or go to a school, still have a full scholarship, and win 8 or 9 games a year with a playoff win and perhaps a win over an FBS school, well they would have to make that decision I suppose.

I know that NDSU has a had a ton of success in FCS ball, but North Dakota hasn't. Until they do, I'm not going to worry about their COA situation. Now if, like I said before, other schools around the country suddenly start giving out the full COA, that's a dangerous game, and one that I think should be talked about both on a conference level and on a Sub-Division level.

We're not talking about the past we're talking about the future. You think UND recruiting is going to change in a hurry if they are offering $4,000/yr (or whatever their amount is) and only 2 or 3 other FCS schools are doing it?

I think we are going to see more FCS schools take the plunge and if UNI isn't one of them it's going to be significant hit to UNI Athletics financially.