10/19/15 Coaches' Poll

[UNIdad]

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No. What the reaction to this poll says is very, very sad.

At this point our fan base is just ****ing happy to be ranked. Are you ****ing kidding me with that bull****? Since when is just being ranked the ****ing standard around this ****ing program?

I'm not "happy" to have lost 4 games and be ranked this low. However, I do find it interesting that we can lose 4 games and still be ranked. And that does say something good about our program, even though all of us would like something better.

[MnPantherFan]

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And if anyone should know embarassing it would be Lakes.

UNIdad, it says something good about our conference, not our program so much.

[CF84]

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I'm not "happy" to have lost 4 games and be ranked this low. However, I do find it interesting that we can lose 4 games and still be ranked. And that does say something good about our program, even though all of us would like something better.

I think UNI gets "bonus" points because of the traditional excellence. Similar to what a school like Michigan may get on the FBS side. But having a 2-4 team ranked says to me that FCS is lacking in quality football teams and it doesn't look good. Just imagine the uproar if a 2-4 FBS team was ranked. But it's FCS so not many people notice. Yes, UNI has played a very tough schedule but you can't rank a 2-4 team and hope to be taken seriously.

[vbfan19]

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I think UNI gets "bonus" points because of the traditional excellence. Similar to what a school like Michigan may get on the FBS side. But having a 2-4 team ranked says to me that FCS is lacking in quality football teams and it doesn't look good. Just imagine the uproar if a 2-4 FBS team was ranked. But it's FCS so not many people notice. Yes, UNI has played a very tough schedule but you can't rank a 2-4 team and hope to be taken seriously.

The people that don't take FCS seriously aren't going to take the FCS seriously regardless of what the FCS polls say. So trying to cater to them is dumb.

Is UNI a good MVFC team? nah, not this year (or at least not at this point this year).
But I'm not convinced that there are more than 20 or so teams in the FCS that could have a high probability to win against UNI, and thus legitimately deserve to be ranked higher than them. So I don't think a 20-25 ranking is out of place (granted, I wouldn't consider being unranked out of place either, since those lower spots in the rankings are pretty meaningless anyway)

[UNIdad]

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I think UNI gets "bonus" points because of the traditional excellence. Similar to what a school like Michigan may get on the FBS side. But having a 2-4 team ranked says to me that FCS is lacking in quality football teams and it doesn't look good. Just imagine the uproar if a 2-4 FBS team was ranked. But it's FCS so not many people notice. Yes, UNI has played a very tough schedule but you can't rank a 2-4 team and hope to be taken seriously.

Hmm, actual rational conversation about my post. Quite refreshing.

I agree that it looks odd to the casual observer when a 2-4 team is ranked. However, it does make sense. The UNI schedule is so front-loaded this year. I joked before the season that UNI could start 0-6 and Iowa State 6-0 . . . and both could finish 6-6. It really would be a shame for a team as good as UNI that has played close with top teams to drop out of the rankings.

[wretched]

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I always qualify this as I am a new fan to UNI football, always knew about their program and how good it was, actually got to play in the dome years ago in a semi-pro game so that was cool, anyway, since I don't have the historical context and I saw a post on a different thread saying something to the extent that UNI use to be the top team in a medicore conference, so are the program's struggles more about how good the conference has become and having to fight for their life week in and week out. It just seems to me the Valley is so much better than the rest of the conferences in FCS football that multiple Valley teams are going to get screwed year in and year out in the sense that if they played in a different conference they would compete for the conference title rather then just surviving the Valley and making it to the playoffs. Not saying it is to be tolerated but I do think the level of ridiculous competition in this conference has to be taking into account. As far as the ranking goes not sure how anyone can argue this team doesn't deserve to be ranked somewhere btw 18-25, they beat a very good EWU team, throttled a Cal Poly team on the road and now has lost to by a combined 16 points to two top 10 teams and now a top 25 team who honestly is way under ranked considering they took the darlings of every poll CC to the wire at their place.

[MnPantherFan]

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The reason UNI is ranked at 2-4 is due to the fact that NDSU, SDSU and lately ISUr have raised the status of the MVFC to the undisputed power conference in FCS, something UNI has never been able to do by itself. We saw this in the CAA power years. A team would lose and drop one place in the poles and the winner would rise 6 places. Has Farley just been passed up? Look at the coaching situation in the Gateway when he took over. Peterson at WIU left and hasn't been good since 2002, now they look to have their staff in place, ISUb was a complete joke and now is roughly on par with us, SIU was bad until Kill, ISUr had the comical "Red Boots" (?) and now if we beat them it is considered an upset, Youngstown, without Tressel, started our winning streak against them and now Polline (sp) should turn them around (if he stays), Missouri St had already started their long decline we'll see what their new staff does. Add the XDSU's and we are middle of the pack. Seems logical, Farley was the best coach in the conference, what is he now middle of the pack?

[havok58]

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The reason UNI is ranked at 2-4 is due to the fact that NDSU, SDSU and lately ISUr have raised the status of the MVFC to the undisputed power conference in FCS, something UNI has never been able to do by itself. We saw this in the CAA power years. A team would lose and drop one place in the poles and the winner would rise 6 places. Has Farley just been passed up? Look at the coaching situation in the Gateway when he took over. Peterson at WIU left and hasn't been good since 2002, now they look to have their staff in place, ISUb was a complete joke and now is roughly on par with us, SIU was bad until Kill, ISUr had the comical "Red Boots" (?) and now if we beat them it is considered an upset, Youngstown, without Tressel, started our winning streak against them and now Polline (sp) should turn them around (if he stays), Missouri St had already started their long decline we'll see what their new staff does. Add the XDSU's and we are middle of the pack. Seems logical, Farley was the best coach in the conference, what is he now middle of the pack?

That is one of my concerns with the coaching staff. I don't doubt Farley's passion for UNI, but to slowly lose ground to other teams in the conference is frustrating. And it appears he is doing nothing to change things up to stop the fall. Unfortunately for him, sports is a "what have you done for us lately" environment, and the other schools have caught up to and passed UNI, leaving Farley open to (and rightfully so) criticism about the program. He can no longer rest on his past success here.

[Blue42]

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The reason UNI is ranked at 2-4 is due to the fact that NDSU, SDSU and lately ISUr have raised the status of the MVFC to the undisputed power conference in FCS, something UNI has never been able to do by itself. We saw this in the CAA power years. A team would lose and drop one place in the poles and the winner would rise 6 places. Has Farley just been passed up? Look at the coaching situation in the Gateway when he took over. Peterson at WIU left and hasn't been good since 2002, now they look to have their staff in place, ISUb was a complete joke and now is roughly on par with us, SIU was bad until Kill, ISUr had the comical "Red Boots" (?) and now if we beat them it is considered an upset, Youngstown, without Tressel, started our winning streak against them and now Polline (sp) should turn them around (if he stays), Missouri St had already started their long decline we'll see what their new staff does. Add the XDSU's and we are middle of the pack. Seems logical, Farley was the best coach in the conference, what is he now middle of the pack?

Stop applying logic and critical analysis to get to the heart of what's going on here.

[lakesbison]

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The reason UNI is ranked at 2-4 is due to the fact that NDSU, SDSU and lately ISUr have raised the status of the MVFC to the undisputed power conference in FCS, something UNI has never been able to do by itself. We saw this in the CAA power years. A team would lose and drop one place in the poles and the winner would rise 6 places. Has Farley just been passed up? Look at the coaching situation in the Gateway when he took over. Peterson at WIU left and hasn't been good since 2002, now they look to have their staff in place, ISUb was a complete joke and now is roughly on par with us, SIU was bad until Kill, ISUr had the comical "Red Boots" (?) and now if we beat them it is considered an upset, Youngstown, without Tressel, started our winning streak against them and now Polline (sp) should turn them around (if he stays), Missouri St had already started their long decline we'll see what their new staff does. Add the XDSU's and we are middle of the pack. Seems logical, Farley was the best coach in the conference, what is he now middle of the pack?

SPOT ON. Plus Farley USED to have a dominating recruiting advantage in the twin cities & that is virtually gone.

[SteinPizza]

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Farley and staff have done a good job recruiting and developing front seven defensive players for several years. Where they've lagged is in the O Line. You have to be solid up the middle on both sides of the ball to be good, and that includes the QB too.

[claw]

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Farley and staff have done a good job recruiting and developing front seven defensive players for several years. Where they've lagged is in the O Line. You have to be solid up the middle on both sides of the ball to be good, and that includes the QB too.

Yup. Recruiting and talent isn't the issue at UNI. Farley deserves credit for the talent he brings in and develops, especially on defense. The issue for UNI is 100% offense, and of that 100% nearly 98% of that is system issues

[BCPanther]

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SPOT ON. Plus Farley USED to have a dominating recruiting advantage in the twin cities & that is virtually gone.

Eh, Kansas City has always kind of been his honey hole. He's gotten some nice players out of the cities, but far more from the Kansas City area.

[claw]

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Eh, Kansas City has always kind of been his honey hole. He's gotten some nice players out of the cities, but far more from the Kansas City area.

I'm trying to remember guys from the Twin Cities that were big name guys. I can think of a few, but our roster wasn't built on them. We still have some nice players from the Twin Cities.

Our out of state talent has almost always been St. Louis/Kansas City.

[SteinPizza]

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Yup. Recruiting and talent isn't the issue at UNI. Farley deserves credit for the talent he brings in and develops, especially on defense. The issue for UNI is 100% offense, and of that 100% nearly 98% of that is system issues

I would not agree. Put another way, the recruiting and development has been far better at some positions than others. That was more my point. Saying that "talent isn't an issue at UNI" is not correct, IMO.

I'm not exonerating any of the coaches for our current or past offensive woes. How you can only get DJ seven touches in one of the losses last year is beyond me, and fracking stupid. Wasting a very talented group of receivers, failure to develop a throwing QB other than Sawyer, etc., etc. No need to further kill that horse. However, don't assume we've consistently had comparable levels of talent, at all position groups, as some of the elite level teams over the same stretch. We haven't.