ISU Game Thread

[Da Hog]

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I have no idea what you're trying to say. Kwadzo made it to the hoop just fine last night. No one could hit from outside and we kept right on shooting. That's it.

I meant to say, put the ball in his hands to drive and attack more similar to Kwadzo was doing. If the shots arent falling, let them all attack for that matter. They will either get closer shots, closer passes, or get fouled. But you are right... Kwadzo runs the point good.

[Da Hog]

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I sure hope Jake can come through with some BIG athletic guys to compliment Koch and O'Rear, and Big E in the near future recruiting. Thats what is needed. The guards will continue to play well.

If he cant get the talent, he cant coach them. And he no longer has the excuse from hear on out. He needs to bring in the talent.

[run&blade]

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Outside of shooting 6-32 the guards were good, I guess.

[Da Hog]

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Outside of shooting 6-32 the guards were good, I guess.

Somehow, yeah.


I do beleive in the guards though as a group.

[jman2004]

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We'll have to agree to disagree on 2. I don't think we are/have declined. I don't measure success merely on NCAA appearances.

I'm still not seeing how this point is even arguable. We have "declined" in wins since McDermott left and Jacobson took over, and we have "declined" in RPI as well.

To say that we have declined, is actually a fact. Hard to argue with it.

What 789 has acknowledged though, is that the program itself may not necessarily be in decline. We realize that. We realize that despite Jacobson's coaching blunders in-game, we have to let things play out before any rash decisions have been made. Maybe with our young guards, some decent recruits (which Jacobson seems to do a decent job with), and some stronger presence down low (which I think we lack severely right now) things could look on the up and up in the near future.

[06panther10]

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People that think Jordan needed to play more last night must not have watched the game. He was a liability out there. He needs to get alot better to play in big games against good teams.

And I agree with the earlier comment about Jake. You cannot let another player score 32 points without making adjustements. I dont care if that was your strategy coming into the game, because if its not working, you need to make changes. He never did. And we lost.

[Panther Cat]

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We haven't neccesarily declined as far as talent and to an extent performance. But we haven't moved forward, I do agree with that. Coaches are not given any time anymore to build their own legacy, sometimes it's just, sometimes it isn't.

I actually thought our guards played well besides shooting the ball last night too, if that is even possible. 3 turnovers, good perimeter defense for the most part, and getting off good shots for the most part, Ali forced a few last night.

I hate usuing the excuse we're young, but if you look at our 3 starting guards last night they combined for 0 starts in D1 basketball last year. Granted they actually played well, but everytime you have some inexperienced guys playing significant minutes you will have some ups and downs. By the time conference rolls around they aren't "rookies" anymore. I base most of UNI's success off of conference play, that is where I think Jake should be defined as a coach, not from some early season games. Usually around year 3-4 is when you start to see changes with new coaches. So no doubt this is a big year for Jake, not a make or break year or anything, but a big year still.

[bigticket]

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People that think Jordan needed to play more last night must not have watched the game. He was a liability out there. He needs to get alot better to play in big games against good teams.

Was Roy Hibbert a liability against Coleman/Stout? UNI coaching/strategy made JE pointless. They went away from him too early.

JE has some work to do, but you cannot leave a legit 7' DI basketball player on the bench when the other teams 6'10 center is owning you.

[UNIAlum95]

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Somehow, yeah.


I do beleive in the guards though as a group.

The assist to turnover ratio was good last night. We didn't rebound or shoot worth a #@%$

[panther85]

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Jordan scores a quick seven points and then they take him out and keep launching threes? To me that's idiotic. You have a seven footer hitting almost 70 percent of his shots. Also, he was starting to figure Brackins out, blocking his last shot, before not seeing the floor again.

Your kidding right? No one on our entire team could figure Brackins out, and you think Jordan did? He couldn't figure out what 2+2 is let alone anything else. He is a liability on both ends of the floor, he is slow, shoot's fade aways, can't rebound, can't block shots. I was just really disappointed with his laziness.

[Khan4Cats]

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I'm still not seeing how this point is even arguable. We have "declined" in wins since McDermott left and Jacobson took over, and we have "declined" in RPI as well.

To say that we have declined, is actually a fact. Hard to argue with it.

What 789 has acknowledged though, is that the program itself may not necessarily be in decline. We realize that. We realize that despite Jacobson's coaching blunders in-game, we have to let things play out before any rash decisions have been made. Maybe with our young guards, some decent recruits (which Jacobson seems to do a decent job with), and some stronger presence down low (which I think we lack severely right now) things could look on the up and up in the near future.

You just contradicted yourself in the same thread. So are we in a decline or not? Is it just Jake that is in a decline? Is it half the program, just the student managers, the dance team? (Okay I'll give you that one)?

I maintain that we are not in a decline. We have hit a plateau, but that level is far higher than UNI has ever been traditionally. To use making the NCAA as a measuring stick is setting way too high of a bar, in my opinion. But if you are going to use that then we have been in decline since 1990, at least that year we advanced past the first round.

My measuring stick is wins and losses. Are we putting together winning seasons? Yes. That has not been a tradition at UNI, really. As someone else said, if we only win 10-12 games, for a couple years, then I will say we are in decline. But we have posted 2 of the top 10 winningest seasons in UNI history the last two years. We are only 7 games into this season.

We are not in a decline.

[williebat]

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I don't measure success merely on NCAA appearances.

Why not? I do. Most ADs and a lot of schools do. Most fans nationwide do. Most sports writers do.

I am only talking success in basketball here not life successes or graduation successes.

[Khan4Cats]

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Why not? I do. Most ADs and a lot of schools do. Most fans nationwide do. Most sports writers do.

I am only talking success in basketball here not life successes or graduation successes.

Then you obviously have to consider UNI basketball a miserable failure. I mean, we have all of 7 NCAA tournament appearances in over 100 years of basketball. It would probably just be best for our schools' reputation to cut this failing program altogether.

You're setting way too high a standard and trying to turn UNI into Iowa. Iowa fans got tired of merely making the NCAA Tourney and winning a game, maybe two, so they chased Dr. Tom out of town so they could achieve their rightful greatness. How's that worked for them?

Coach Jacobson is building a program of sustained success. As long as we can continue that success, we will keep bringing in good recruits. Good recruits will eventually turn into very good recruits. Once we start to reach that level, where every year we are posting winning records and competing for upper level recruits. Then we can be worried about multiple appearances in the NCAA. Look at what Altman has done at Creighton. He hasn't gone to the NCAA every year, but he has built a winning tradition that continues from year to year and recruiting class to recruiting class. That is what UNI Basketball should aspire to.

[Jet]

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Jordan still leads the team in rebounding playing a mere 19 mins. per game to those bashing him about his rebounding.Plus its hard to get into flow of the game playing a whopping 2-3 mins. at a time.Jake;s rotation skills suck as about as much as his coaching does.

[jman2004]

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You just contradicted yourself in the same thread. So are we in a decline or not? Is it just Jake that is in a decline? Is it half the program, just the student managers, the dance team? (Okay I'll give you that one)?

You seriously did not just question MY reading comprehension and then come back at me with this . . .

I did not contradict myself.

I said that it is hard to argue that this team has in fact declined since McDermott left. We have statistics to prove it.

I said, that what was debatable was whether or not the program itself was actually "in decline".