ISU Game Thread

[Panther789]

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Then you obviously have to consider UNI basketball a miserable failure. I mean, we have all of 7 NCAA tournament appearances in over 100 years of basketball.

Actually, its 4. Its bad enough to make things up, but at least have the intelligence to make things up that support your argument.

[06panther10]

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Was Roy Hibbert a liability against Coleman/Stout? UNI coaching/strategy made JE pointless. They went away from him too early.

JE has some work to do, but you cannot leave a legit 7' DI basketball player on the bench when the other teams 6'10 center is owning you.

What? Those players werent a liability against Hibbert because they were BETTER than Egleseder. That 6'10 center from ISU was "owning" Jordan when he was in. That is why he didnt play the second half. If he was doing a halfway decent job on D he would be in the game, but he was NOT getting the job done.

[Khan4Cats]

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Actually, its 4. Its bad enough to make things up, but at least have the intelligence to make things up that support your argument.

No, it's 7. We made three appearances in the College Division or D-II tournament. Two in the 1960's under Norm Stewart and again in the 1970's under Jim Berry.

History. It gives perspective, which is desperately needed here.

[Khan4Cats]

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You seriously did not just question MY reading comprehension and then come back at me with this . . .

I did not contradict myself.

I said that it is hard to argue that this team has in fact declined since McDermott left. We have statistics to prove it.

I said, that what was debatable was whether or not the program itself was actually "in decline".

How can we both 'have declined' but not 'be in decline'?

You have been arguing that the program has declined and then turned around and said the program is not in decline. Did we suddenly stop? Are we back at the level we were at before you claimed we declined? Are we back on the upswing? What is it?

I am arguing that we may have plateaued, but we have not declined.

[jman2004]

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I agree with what you have said before about things looking bright for us and yadda yadda yadda. Therefore, as a program, we may not be in a total decline. Meaning, this year and the next may prove to be better than the past couple.

That's different than saying that we "have declined", because we have. We went from 3 straight 20+ win seasons and 3 straight NCAA tourney appearances, to two 18 win seasons and no NCAA postseason appearances. Our RPI has dropped significantly over the last two seasons as well. To say that we "have declined" is a fact. Look at the numbers.

But that doesn't mean that the basketball program is falling apart at the seams, or is totally "in decline". Maybe these last few seasons have just been rough seasons and it'll all take form this year and the next.

That's what I was saying . . .

[Khan4Cats]

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I agree with what you have said before about things looking bright for us and yadda yadda yadda. Therefore, as a program, we may not be in a total decline. Meaning, this year and the next may prove to be better than the past couple.

That's different than saying that we "have declined", because we have. We went from 3 straight 20+ win seasons and 3 straight NCAA tourney appearances, to two 18 win seasons and no NCAA postseason appearances. Our RPI has dropped significantly over the last two seasons as well. To say that we "have declined" is a fact. Look at the numbers.

But that doesn't mean that the basketball program is falling apart at the seams, or is totally "in decline". Maybe these last few seasons have just been rough seasons and it'll all take form this year and the next.

That's what I was saying . . .

Okay, that helps a little.

The problem I have still, is that you are claiming a decline the past two years, and then all of a sudden saying we are not in a decline. Well, if we have gone down the previous two years (using RPI, W/L, NCAA appearance, whatever standards), how do you address this year? Our RPI is lower, the W/L percentage is lower, we haven't made the NCAA. Are we in a holding pattern until after the MVC tourney and NCAA selection show? When did the decline that you say we had but are not now having stop? That's the problem I have with the statement.

And to your last point. If we do suddenly "turn it around" and make post-season this year or even over the next couple of years. Will you still look at the last two years as "down years"? I don't see them that way now, and I don't see how I would change my view of them if this scenario happens. But I can also be happy with the continued success of the last few years. As someone else said, if we suddenly start losing more than winning, then I will look at it differently.

[jman2004]

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The problem I have still, is that you are claiming a decline the past two years, and then all of a sudden saying we are not in a decline. Well, if we have gone down the previous two years (using RPI, W/L, NCAA appearance, whatever standards), how do you address this year? Our RPI is lower, the W/L percentage is lower, we haven't made the NCAA. Are we in a holding pattern until after the MVC tourney and NCAA selection show? When did the decline that you say we had but are not now having stop? That's the problem I have with the statement.

And to your last point. If we do suddenly "turn it around" and make post-season this year or even over the next couple of years. Will you still look at the last two years as "down years"? I don't see them that way now, and I don't see how I would change my view of them if this scenario happens. But I can also be happy with the continued success of the last few years. As someone else said, if we suddenly start losing more than winning, then I will look at it differently.

1. I said "may" not be in decline. I did not say that we "are" not in decline. There's a good possibility that we could very well be "in decline" as a program. We won't really know until after this season or the next. If we have another 18 win season, we're probably not "in decline". But if that win total would fall to around 15-17, the argument is still out there lingering.

2. If we turn it around this year, my stance toward the last two seasons will not change. We were more talented than our records show. We could've done more with the talent we had.

I guess the difference between us, is that since our win total and RPI has declined the last two seasons, I'm not so quick to assure others that we as a program are not declining as a whole as well, because we may very well be.

[Panther789]

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No, it's 7. We made three appearances in the College Division or D-II tournament. Two in the 1960's under Norm Stewart and again in the 1970's under Jim Berry.

History. It gives perspective, which is desperately needed here.

Haha, fair enough. I guess I shouldn't have assumed you were referring to the NCAA tournament as we know it today.

[UNI Prof]

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Folks mention the "loss of momentum," yet Jake has recruited two 3-star PGs in the last two classes. That's a pretty good haul for negative momentum.

[Jonsoup]

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Anybody have CD copy version for sale of this game?

[bigticket]

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What? Those players werent a liability against Hibbert because they were BETTER than Egleseder.

I think you misunderstood... Was Hibbert the liability in the game for Georgetown against our "quicker" bigs? I was pointing out a slower big can still be productive.

I'm not saying who is better, just that a legit 7' should get at least 25 mins a game.

Also, a question for everyone, does Jordan being from small town Iowa effect our perception of him? Just a thought...

[in_the_stands]

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ISU leading by 6 against Oregon State on Saturday with 5:30 left in the game. Brackins has all of 9 points far.

[cydave]

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ISU leading by 6 against Oregon State on Saturday with 5:30 left in the game. Brackins has all of 9 points far.

Ended up winning 63-50. Brackins didn't get the ball much because he was getting doubled all night, and our shooters were hitting their 3's, I believe we had 10 three pointers for the game. Not sure how many pts Brackins ended up having, but still got another double-double.

[in_the_stands]

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Well, guess we know OSU scouted the game Wednesday. Congrats on the win, frankly I would have thought anybody holding Brackins to 13 probably wins the game. I see Staiger got 14, we were probably lucky he didn't get hot.

[cydave]

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Well, guess we know OSU scouted the game Wednesday. Congrats on the win, frankly I would have thought anybody holding Brackins to 13 probably wins the game. I see Staiger got 14, we were probably lucky he didn't get hot.

Exactly, thank god we were hitting our 3's. And yeah, when Lucca gets hot, he really gets hot. He drained a 3 from almost half court towards the end of the game, which was pretty sweet.