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    Just a small sample from a great article. For those who like stats and fact filled info (rather than fact-less opinions) you'll enjoy the full thing.



    Consider this simple fact: In the 25 years of the 64/65-team era, 46 teams have been selected at large with losing conference records (I include conference tournament games, which take on significance in my world). Of those teams, only one -- NC State in 1986 -- has reached even a regional final in the NCAA tournament. Only six others have made it as far as the Sweet 16.

    Overall, these 46 teams -- despite an average seed of 8.9 -- have won less than 40 percent of their NCAA tournament games (.395 to be precise). In the past 10 years, the numbers are even worse (13 teams, .350 winning percentage), when, by seeding, the figure should be much closer to 50 percent. Dare I suggest that we can do better than have losing conference teams in the NCAA tournament field?

    Non-BCS at-large candidates, by comparison, win an even 40 percent of the time -- this despite being seeded to lose (a 10.9 seed average, two spots worse than their BCS counterparts) and less favorable geographic placement. We also have seen a Final Four team from this group -- George Mason, 2006 -- as well as four others in the Elite Eight.

    And that's just the past 10 years ….

    This all is such a big deal because, in spite of what you might have heard, the power conferences are a bit of a "closed system" with respect to scheduling. Membership in the BCS leagues has not changed in the past three years. Yet the number of games played by BCS schools against their closest competitors -- the Atlantic 10, Conference USA, MVC, Mid-American, Mountain West and WAC -- continues to decline. It has dropped more than 7 percent, in fact, in just the past two years. Worse, the non-BCS schools get home games against their BCS rivals less than a quarter of the time and neutral court matchups only slightly more often.
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    Re: Lunardi on the NCAA Tourney

    That is some good stuff, and is very substantiated.
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    Originally posted by 9YRPLAN
    iowa sucks, fran sucks, their schedule sucks, iowa fans suck

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      Re: Lunardi on the NCAA Tourney

      Lunardi is great. Nice to have some hard stats to go with what we've been saying all along.
      It's my kind of team, Charlie. My kind of team!

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        If only this was presented at a time of year when Jay and Digger would have to respond to it. Sadly it will most likely be long forgotten by the time they are jetting off to Maui.
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          Re: Lunardi on the NCAA Tourney

          thats how you make a good argument right there.

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            Re: Lunardi on the NCAA Tourney

            Originally posted by panther2317
            Someone needs to just copy and paste it and keep sending it to those guys.
            Or we could just copy and paste your annual "Lunardi suffers from BCS/East Coast bias" thread.



            I'm sure we it will be easy to forget about this article next March.

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              Re: Lunardi on the NCAA Tourney

              Originally posted by UNIpanther99 View Post
              If only this was presented at a time of year when Jay and Digger would have to respond to it. Sadly it will most likely be long forgotten by the time they are jetting off to Maui.
              They would just argue that it is because those teams are more worn down from the MUCH more difficult regular season that they play in their BCS conferences...
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              Originally posted by 9YRPLAN
              iowa sucks, fran sucks, their schedule sucks, iowa fans suck

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                Re: Lunardi on the NCAA Tourney

                Originally posted by panther2317
                I will if he's got 9/10 Big East teams in the Dance again.
                The Big East, top to bottom, was the best league in the country last year. I've heard several people who's opinion I respect state just that. These were also people with no skin in the game, but had seen a lot of basketball from various conferences. How can you deny them the most bids? You may not have been making that argument, but somewhere between 8-10 seems about right.

                Also, the east coast bias thing is overblown, IMO. Georgetown, UConn, sure...but please don't tell me that Pittsburgh, Cincinatti, Marquette, DePaul, etc., are "east coast" teams. Some people's definition of east coast seems to be any city located in the eastern time zone.

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                • #9
                  Re: Lunardi on the NCAA Tourney

                  Its completely understandable that everything in this country has an east coast bias. About 70% of the country lives on the east coast.
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                  Originally posted by 9YRPLAN
                  iowa sucks, fran sucks, their schedule sucks, iowa fans suck

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                    Re: Lunardi on the NCAA Tourney

                    Originally posted by panther2317
                    It doesn't matter if the Big East is the "best conference from top to bottom" in my opinion. I watch a lot of basketball as well, I would agree that it was the most competitive conference in the country top to not quite the bottom. But the 10th place team in a league doesn't deserve a bid to the NCAA's because the top of their conference is really good. You have to win some of those games to get into the NCAA's. Let's use Providence as an example (who I didn't think should have gotten a bid).

                    Notre Dame 8-10 21-15
                    Cincinnati 8-10 18-14
                    Seton Hall 7-11 17-15
                    Georgetown 7-11 16-15
                    St. John's 6-12 16-18
                    South Florida 4-14 9-22
                    Rutgers 2-16 11-21
                    DePaul 0-18 9-24

                    That's the bottom of the Big East. 12 combined conference wins in the bottom 4. The bottom half of that league sucked. Pure and simple. Now, go back and see how many wins Providence had against these four teams out of their 10-8 conference record. Six of their 10 conference wins came against these 4 bottom teams. Two others came from under .500 teams in the Big East bottom half (Cincy and Seton Hall). So 8 of their 10 conference wins came against teams with under .500 records. Providence had one big win...and a lot of bad wins.

                    The conference was good at the top...not so good at the bottom. Also, didn't Providence lose their first round NCAA game?
                    Providence played in the NIT. The post above is completely irrelevant. Lunardi did not have them in the dance, and they did not make the dance. The Big East only got 7 teams, all of whom clearly deserved bids.

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                      Re: Lunardi on the NCAA Tourney

                      I find it very funny that the big east received 7 bids, 3 number one seeds, and none made it to the championship game.
                      Originally posted by TH1974
                      This guy was all-UNI, and wanted to show it by pretending to play a non-existant musical instrument in public.

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                        Re: Lunardi on the NCAA Tourney

                        Originally posted by panther2317
                        Woops...I meant first round NIT game.

                        It's not irrelevant because people keep talking about how great the Big East was this season. The truth is that they weren't as great top to bottom as people think. The post above shows that.

                        7 teams is acceptable...but when people talk about 9/10 from one conference...that's why you have to pull out the post above. People earlier in the thread said that 8-10 teams from a good Big East "seemed about right". I was responding to that line of thought.
                        You are the one who began talking about 9/10 teams. Lunardi only had 7 in, and the conference only got 7 in. Stein only responded to your initial 9/10 statement, which was false in the first place.

                        Assuming for the moment that you knew Providence was in the NIT (which seems debatable in light of the fact that you devoted an entire post to proving Providence didnt deserve a bid to the NCAA's and clearly asserted that they lost in the first round of the NCAA's), I'm not sure we want to give a ton of weight to a team's NIT performance when debating whether or not they should have made the NCAA's.

                        Creighton squeaked out a win against a Bowling Green team before losing at home to a Kentucky team that wasn't even an NCAA consideration at the end of the year.

                        The same could be said about Illinois State's 2nd round NIT loss the year before.

                        I dont remember you claiming that these early losses at home were strong evidence that these school's should not have been in the dance, but I could be wrong.
                        Last edited by Panther789; 04-30-2009, 11:02 AM.

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                          Re: Lunardi on the NCAA Tourney

                          I applaud Lunardi for this article. Although I think he is part of the problem come February and march and not part of the solution. I wonder if his bracketology is of teams he thinks deserve to be in or if they are of teams he thinks based on the flawed process of the committee will be in.

                          I would respect him a lot if he chose teams that he thinks are the best and should be in. Maybe he will next year. If he picked 3 MVC teams for example he could cause a little stir in the media. If he is wrong he could point to this article and argue that maybe the committee is wrong. That is how change begins with articles like this from people like him.
                          I agree we need to remind him and others of this article next march not april.

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                            Re: Lunardi on the NCAA Tourney

                            Originally posted by williebat View Post
                            I wonder if his bracketology is of teams he thinks deserve to be in or if they are of teams he thinks based on the flawed process of the committee will be in.
                            In Bracketology he tries to predict what the field will be, not what he thinks it should be. I think this article is his attempt to show that he thinks the field should be different than what it usually turns out to be.
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                              Re: Lunardi on the NCAA Tourney

                              Originally posted by Newt99 View Post
                              In Bracketology he tries to predict what the field will be, not what he thinks it should be. I think this article is his attempt to show that he thinks the field should be different than what it usually turns out to be.
                              This is absolutely correct. I don't think he's part of the problem, he just reports on what he sees.

                              This is an excellent article... maybe anyone with power will read it.
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