Next up: Iowa State

[Coachdags]

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This always happens every time we play Iowa or Iowa State in football or basketball. They have more tradition, more money, bigger fanbases and they can offer more resources to their coaches. If that bothers you that much, maybe you shouldn't be a Panther fan. Personally, I take pride in the fact that we do so much with so little.

GO PANTHERS!!!!

This post is spot on......Go Panthers!

[Purrrrrfect]

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That's my joe

[06panther10]

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Mark it down. Iowa State will beat UNI by 15+. You guys are delusional if you think UNI can pull this one out. Given the circumstances no way this games close inside the last 10 minutes of the game. Be interesting to see the excuses after you guys get beat by this "Horrible coach".

You're not even worth it...

[Panther789]

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FYI, ISU favored by 6.

[Marc Wigim]

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Mark it down. Iowa State will beat UNI by 15+. You guys are delusional if you think UNI can pull this one out. Given the circumstances no way this games close inside the last 10 minutes of the game. Be interesting to see the excuses after you guys get beat by this "Horrible coach".

PANTHERS AND CYCLONES UNITE!

In the future, could neither of our fanbases acknowledge trolls? Especially ones that speak in obtuse, meatheaded catch phrases like "mark it down?"

BOOYAH! He could go all the way! Lead pipe lock! Bracketology! WHEE!

Stupid.

[olivestreet95]

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Hey Marc....you seem well versed...can you help me out? What the heck is IMO?

[JD720]

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IMO=In my opinion.

[96' Alum]

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Mark it down. Iowa State will beat UNI by 15+. You guys are delusional if you think UNI can pull this one out. Given the circumstances no way this games close inside the last 10 minutes of the game. Be interesting to see the excuses after you guys get beat by this "Horrible coach".

Nobody said Mac was a horrible coach, he is just a bad fit in a major conference.

He has admitted, publicly, that he didn't understand the type of player that he needed to recruit at that level. Actually, he admitted that THREE different times (at the end of each season that he has been there).

A Big 12 school should always have the advantage over a MVC school. They have more of everything than Jake does.

Mac is 1-2, or 1-3, against all of the in-state schools. Other than Iowa, and their budget, that should not happen. Drake won twice in Hilton, we won there last time we played. He is in trouble, public opinion wise with that fan base.

Que Daggs to the rescue, I read some his "insight" on Cyclone fanatic about how the players suck, because the coaching is great.

But, again, I say keep Mac there. Licklighter is toast in IC, and with Mac continuing to bury that program, this is now a great job. Even if Jake gets that big elephant job, we should still be able to hire well, based on the fact that we have the best program in the state.

[Panthers to the Bone]

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Did Mac say that he's always wanted to be the Cyclones coach? I don't remember that. Not saying he didn't, but I do remember him being very complimentary to UNI...almost to a fault to some of the Clone fans in attendance. But yes, he did almost fall down the steps!

There are so many things to think about when talking about coaching changes. When Mac left UNI, he created two coaching staffs from one. Rutter, Smith, and Crawford went to ISU (two got salary raises, one got a chance to further his coaching career through a grad assistantship). Jacobson got the raise to be a HC. Green got the chance to come back to UNI (I assume pay raise?). Hogan got moved up the rungs (pay raise). Foster was given the opportunity to go from GA to Director of Bball Ops. And Little was given the chance to move up with a grad assistantship.

That's 8 guys that had a direct quality of life/financial improvement/employment betterment opportunity b/c of Mac moving to Iowa State.

We as fans don't think about these things. Even with his move, Chris Foster ended up leaving UNI 2 years later (even with his UNI loyalties) b/c he could make more money as a HS teacher/coach than he was as a DBO at UNI. How screwy is that? When you're a head coach, yes, you are making good money and signing a long term contract can set you up for a good quality of life in CF...but what about that 3rd assistant that's making $24,900 like Foster made his last year at UNI? (actually, upon review, there is a custodian named Foster at UNI that made $10K more than Chris in the same year) Does that help him? If that head coach takes another job at a BCS conference, there's a good chance that if that guy goes to the new school, he is going to get a salary double or triple. If he stays, then he should get a good bump in salary also. So, it's not always about the HC (even though I'm sure the money is good). It's also about the rest of the staff (and in Mac's case, his two graduating players, Crawford and Little).

Anyway, I'm a huge fan for college athletics and I used to get VERY upset with coaching staff changes (universities pushing coaches out, coaches jumping at every opportunity to get 'theirs', etc...). Where's the loyalty to the student-athletes? Probably the same place that the universities have when they are firing coaches with years left on their contract. Seriously, when was the last time that a FB/BB coach either fulfilled his/her contract before looking for another job? Probably the last time that a coach was let go after his/her contract expired (Dr. Tom is the only case I can legitimately remember). I remember hearing a story that John Wooden was courted by UCLA while at his previous job (maybe Indiana State or Purdue?), but he wouldn't leave b/c he still had a year left on his contract. Only after that contract was done did he leave for UCLA. That loyalty doesn't occur anymore on either side of the fence, and I'm pretty sure we are all naive to think that it still occurs (unless we are talking about guys at the top levels of the pay scale...and even then, it's not a guarantee).

So, there is a game in Ames tomorrow, eh? Who knew?!

Looking forward to a great game. The Panthers need to play better than they did last Saturday, but I think they're up for it.

[olivestreet95]

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thank you JD720

[Panther789]

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Did Mac say that he's always wanted to be the Cyclones coach?

I don't think so.

[Luckycat]

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Mark it down. Iowa State will beat UNI by 15+. You guys are delusional if you think UNI can pull this one out. Given the circumstances no way this games close inside the last 10 minutes of the game. Be interesting to see the excuses after you guys get beat by this "Horrible coach".

Shnook---I'd be interested in learning your assessment of UNI's performance so far this year. Please comment on the victory over Denver and Boston College, the loss to DePaul and the struggle against Northern Illinois. I'm sure you could share an evaluation of the Cyclones games to date, but your above claim suggests to me that you are a true basketball junkie and I would appreciate your insight on the Panthers. Thanks.

[FOTY]

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Did Mac say that he's always wanted to be the Cyclones coach? I don't remember that. Not saying he didn't, but I do remember him being very complimentary to UNI...almost to a fault to some of the Clone fans in attendance. But yes, he did almost fall down the steps!

I'm glad to hear that I'm not the only one remembering it that way. I actually did some searching on the internet for the presser to verify what he actually said.... however, I had no success.

[Panther789]

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most will disagree, but i still dont think isu is a good team. i was hammered for this opinion several months back, but the sequence of 1) keeping brackins 2) adding gilstrap 3) being in the barnes sweepstakes and 4) destroying four terrible teams has cyclone fans delusional. brackins is very good. garrett is playing much better, but him, staiger, vanderbeken still below average players playing a ton of minutes. i may be proven wrong but i think ISU ends up right about where they were picked preseason- 8th.

You were hammered because you said, "I would almost say that Iowa is better than ISU."

http://www.panthernation.com/showthread.php?t=25844&highlight=Iowa+State

[BryceC]

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You were hammered because you said, "I would almost say that Iowa is better than ISU."

http://www.panthernation.com/showthr...ght=Iowa+State

That thread is hilarious in hindsight, as are so many really.