Next up: Iowa State

[Anne Frank]

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I get all of that, but leaving for money (while I can't fault him) to go to an in-state rival seems like a terrible reason to leave your dream job, at your dream school, that you love with a passion

How old are you? You sound like a youngster who hasn't begun to enter the adult world with the accompanying career aspirations, a family to take care of not -- not just now but for the future. You can still have a passion for your roots, but we all grow up and have to or wish to move onward and upward. I don't particularly like the way the move happened, but you can't blame him for wanting bigger and better things.

[jegbomb52]

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I could have respected a move to Auburn, or Arkansas. Iowa State was a slap in the face. At his presser if he would have talked about what a great opportunity it was to coach in the big XII and to be able to coach in a great venue like Hilton which has had some great home court advantages I might have still been okay, but to walk in and talk about how he had always been a Cyclone made me want to puke and made me lose respect. People that are "Panthers through and through" do not make comments like that.

[Felis P. C. Schorgeri]

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How old are you? You sound like a youngster who hasn't begun to enter the adult world with the accompanying career aspirations, a family to take care of not -- not just now but for the future. You can still have a passion for your roots, but we all grow up and have to or wish to move onward and upward. I don't particularly like the way the move happened, but you can't blame him for wanting bigger and better things.

You believe that Iowa State is "better things"?

[williebat]

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You believe that Iowa State is "better things"?

That is the million dollar question. Is it the next level? In pay yes, but in winning basketball games and competing in the NCAAs no.

On the other hand I doubt we had a shot of landing gilstrap or wesley jonhson. So the BIG 2 plus 10 brand does pull some weight. Not that the MVC is a slacker conference but we don't have texas or KU.

[BryceC]

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That is the million dollar question. Is it the next level? In pay yes, but in winning basketball games and competing in the NCAAs no.

ISU has a decent history of competing in the NCAA's and winning basketball games over the last 30 years. My expectations for this season is for ISU to get to the NCAA tournament but IMO McD not making the dance so far says more about him than it does about ISU.

[UNIpanther99]

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ISU has a decent history of competing in the NCAA's and winning basketball games over the last 30 years. My expectations for this season is for ISU to get to the NCAA tournament but IMO McD not making the dance so far says more about him than it does about ISU.

McDermott has proven he can get there, Iowa State has proven it can get there, if they can't get it done the combination of school/coach is to blame. It's not that either entity is bad, just that it wasn't the right combination.

That said, after tomorrow's game I wish the Cyclones and McDermott well.

[Born-a-Panther]

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How old are you? You sound like a youngster who hasn't begun to enter the adult world with the accompanying career aspirations, a family to take care of not -- not just now but for the future. You can still have a passion for your roots, but we all grow up and have to or wish to move onward and upward. I don't particularly like the way the move happened, but you can't blame him for wanting bigger and better things.

This.

How long has it been since Coach Mac left? Can we move on please? He still supports the Panthers 100% and always will. His son is going to wear the purple and gold, his best friend is the coach. Coaches like challenges - it's part of the profession to move on. By moving on to Iowa State, he was able to stay close to his family and keep his kids close to their family. Give it a rest, let it go, wish him well. Anybody who can't recognize what he did for this program while he was here is crazy. I hope he can be successful at Iowa State as well. Just not when he's playing the Panthers.

[cydave]

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You believe that Iowa State is "better things"?

Compared to UNI, yes it is better. Compared to Kansas, Kentucky, Duke, UNC, etc, No.
But, after UNI, Iowa State is the next level. The last 4ish years for ISU hasn't been that good, but Iowa State has had a decent amount of success in the Big 12 and NCAA tourny in the last few decades. Please tell me you are old enough to remember ISU making the Elite 8 and winning back to back Big 12 titles, that happened just 10 years ago....

[Felis P. C. Schorgeri]

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Compared to UNI, yes it is better. Compared to Kansas, Kentucky, Duke, UNC, etc, No.
But, after UNI, Iowa State is the next level. The last 4ish years for ISU hasn't been that good, but Iowa State has had a decent amount of success in the Big 12 and NCAA tourny in the last few decades. Please tell me you are old enough to remember ISU making the Elite 8 and winning back to back Big 12 titles, that happened just 10 years ago....

Now...I know UNI doesn't have a long basketball history but I think you are overstating ISU's basketball greatness. Iowa State has a .493 win% over their history (1160–1190).

Yes, they won the B12 regular season titles in 2000 and 2001, but before that it was 1945 the last time they won a conference title during the regular season.


4 Big 6 Conference Regualar Season Title 1935, 1941, 1944, 1945
2 Big 8 Conference Tournament Championship 1959, 1996
2 Big 12 Conference Regular Season Title 2000, 2001
1 Big 7 Conference Tournament Championship 1955
1 Big 12 Conference Tournament Championship 2000



I'm not buying the Iowa State is a great program Kool-Aid you are selling. I'd say that Hawk program has been just as good as the Cyclones have this decade...almost.

[cydave]

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Now...I know UNI doesn't have a long basketball history but I think you are overstating ISU's basketball greatness. Iowa State has a .493 win% over their history (1160–1190).

Yes, they won the B12 regular season titles in 2000 and 2001, but before that it was 1945 the last time they won a conference title during the regular season.


4 Big 6 Conference Regualar Season Title 1935, 1941, 1944, 1945
2 Big 8 Conference Tournament Championship 1959, 1996
2 Big 12 Conference Regular Season Title 2000, 2001
1 Big 7 Conference Tournament Championship 1955
1 Big 12 Conference Tournament Championship 2000



I'm not buying the Iowa State is a great program Kool-Aid you are selling. I'd say that Hawk program has been just as good as the Cyclones have this decade...almost.

I wasn't trying to make ISU sound like a big time program, I was simply saying that compared to UNI, it is better. In response to your post saying, "you think ISU is better things?" I replied with yes, I do. ISU has had more success in the NCAA tourny than UNI.
If you are trying to compare ISU with Iowa, then Iowa has had more success than ISU. It's a little different there, because Iowa is generally a football school, not basketball. Whereas at Iowa State, we consider ourselves a basketball school.

I'm not overestimating ISU as a school, I know exactly where they stand. I never said they were a national powerhouse. I never said they were better than the Dukes, UNC's, Kansas', etc. But, they have more history and are "better things" than UNI.

To the UNI fans, I'm sorry if I'm sounding like a snot to UNI, but I am just trying to prove my point. Any level headed UNI fan knows ISU has more history and success than UNI in basketball.

[ubuntuCAT]

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but to walk in and talk about how he had always been a Cyclone made me want to puke and made me lose respect.

Did he actually say that? I thought it was more like always wanted to coach in the Big12 conference? I'm just going off of memory

[Felis P. C. Schorgeri]

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I wasn't trying to make ISU sound like a big time program, I was simply saying that compared to UNI, it is better. In response to your post saying, "you think ISU is better things?" I replied with yes, I do. ISU has had more success in the NCAA tourny than UNI.
If you are trying to compare ISU with Iowa, then Iowa has had more success than ISU. It's a little different there, because Iowa is generally a football school, not basketball. Whereas at Iowa State, we consider ourselves a basketball school.

I'm not overestimating ISU as a school, I know exactly where they stand. I never said they were a national powerhouse. I never said they were better than the Dukes, UNC's, Kansas', etc. But, they have more history and are "better things" than UNI.

To the UNI fans, I'm sorry if I'm sounding like a snot to UNI, but I am just trying to prove my point. Any level headed UNI fan knows ISU has more history and success than UNI in basketball.

2 good season in the first two years decade make ISU a better place to be than UNI right now?

I'm really trying to understand how in the past 5 years, or so, ISU has been a better program than UNI, and how ISU was a better program than UNI when Mac left. Like I've said, I'm not going to fault him for chasing money. I also didn't really mean to take this thread this direction. I don't understand how one can leave a dream job for something at a rival. Maybe I'm odd, but I'd rather be at a place I love making less than being at an in-state rival make more with my heart still at the other place.

[JD720]

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I could have respected a move to Auburn, or Arkansas. Iowa State was a slap in the face. At his presser if he would have talked about what a great opportunity it was to coach in the big XII and to be able to coach in a great venue like Hilton which has had some great home court advantages I might have still been okay, but to walk in and talk about how he had always been a Cyclone made me want to puke and made me lose respect. People that are "Panthers through and through" do not make comments like that.

I hate that coaches feel the need to say stuff like that when in most cases it is a crock of you know what. I know he is just trying to fire up the fan base, get them to believe in him, buy season tickets, etc. I also think the fanbase was somewhat fractured with the Eustachy and Morgan firings and ISU needed him to unite the fanbase, but I don't like it. As you said, he could just stop with "ISU is a great opportunity....great venue....I have great respect for the tradition starting with Orr...look forward to brining back the hilton magic...etc..."

[cydave]

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2 good season in the first two years decade make ISU a better place to be than UNI right now?

I'm really trying to understand how in the past 5 years, or so, ISU has been a better program than UNI, and how ISU was a better program than UNI when Mac left. Like I've said, I'm not going to fault him for chasing money. I also didn't really mean to take this thread this direction. I don't understand how one can leave a dream job for something at a rival. Maybe I'm odd, but I'd rather be at a place I love making less than being at an in-state rival make more with my heart still at the other place.

I'll give UNI the credit that in the last few years they have had more success. Nobody will argue that, you went to the NCAA last year and won your conference championship.
But, in terms of being a better overall program, ISU is better. ISU is the last team in the state to actually win a game in the NCAA tourny. 2005 when we beat Minnesota. We were a very competitve team before that little run of back to back titles and shortly after. We've just had a slump in between. I believe GMAC may have thought that there is greater potential at ISU. Where do you think it would be easier to reach the sweet 16 or elite 8? History says ISU.

[SteinPizza]

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but to walk in and talk about how he had always been a Cyclone made me want to puke and made me lose respect. People that are "Panthers through and through" do not make comments like that.

Come on Jeg, that's all PRish BS. It comes with the territory. Coaches always say things to placate the stupid elements in their fanbase. Lovie Smith said his "first priority was to beat the Packers" in his opening presser. Anyone with a brain knew that was crap, or at least hoped the McCaskey's wouldn't hire someone who was actually that dumb. Same with Mac's Cyclone comments.

I can put up with it to an extent, recognizing it for what it is. I get a little more annoyed by the idiot fans who actually swallow it.