from Pat Forde this morning:

[jman2004]

Re: from Pat Forde this morning:

I see you haven't looked at the head to head records of the MWC vs all other non-BCS leagues. Or the MWC record vs BCS conferences compared to all other non-BCS conferences. You cherry picked one stat to make your point and it isn't a very good point. I don't know why we would need to continue this discussion about football. You guys aren't FBS so it doesn't matter to you.

It has nothing to do with UNLV basketball. I was just defending the conference.

We don't need to continue this discussion about football but go ahead, dig into the stats if you'd like . . .

The Mountain West is going to have to maintain the success they had THIS SEASON over the span of MULTIPLE SEASONS if they want to be included with the big 6.

Personally, I'm all for it. I just wanted to show you that at the end of the day, when the dust has settled, the WAC has fared pretty well as well. Again, it comes down to hype.

And look where that hype got TCU this season . . .

[Rebelbacker]

Re: from Pat Forde this morning:

We don't need to continue this discussion about football but go ahead, dig into the stats if you'd like . . .

The Mountain West is going to have to maintain the success they had THIS SEASON over the span of MULTIPLE SEASONS if they want to be included with the big 6.

Personally, I'm all for it. I just wanted to show you that at the end of the day, when the dust has settled, the WAC has fared pretty well as well. Again, it comes down to hype.

And look where that hype got TCU this season . . .

I made a mistake in my post not clearly making my point. The head to head records I am referring to are over the last 2 and 4 years. The current BCS review period is 2 years old. In that time span the MWC has clearly seperated itself from all other non-BCS conferences including the WAC. It's not hype as you suggest.

Anyway, this has nothing to do with hoops. Just wanted to clarify my point.

[unlvrebelx]

Re: from Pat Forde this morning:

I never would've guessed UNI fans would be this disrespectful and ignorant. I know, I know...you're being goaded into it by UNLV fans doing the same....but, for some reason. I sincerely thought coming to this board, it would be average, or even more humble than your average board.....posters claiming they'd win, but at the same time being "realistic" or cautious about this game.

But...nope, its like we've stepped into an alternate world where small-man syndrome rules supreme.

I'm honestly not 100% confident about the game....how could I be. UNI has not played ANYBODY that looks like a major player on the national level. Your toughest RPI victory was something like Siena.....and you have about the same record that UNLV fans would EXPECT our team to have given the schedule...I can't gauge UNI because they haven't really played anybody good....we've played two common opponents and we both beat them....but other than that, I can't figure UNI out based on who they played.

You're complaining about the best seed YOU'VE EVER GOTTEN....and YOU LOST TO EVANSVILLE or EVANSTON or something like that a few weeks ago....a team that had an 8-16 season beat you! A 9 seed sounds about right! How can you be so arrogant to think you deserve more than that? Honestly? The committee can't tell if you're really good until you actually play good teams....you're 10-1 vs. the RPI 100....but only played TWO top 50 RPI teams. UNLV has played 8 Top 50 RPI teams and won four of them including a top 10 RPI win on the road. Our road records are virtually the same, but we have a tougher schedule.

In all honesty, this looks like a great matchup vs teams that depend on defense and get after it.


One more quick note.....on the TV deal. You may think you have a great deal, and I'm happy for you. I personally care about watching my team play, and the rest is gravy....but I realize that national exposure is important too. Our games are on CBSC, Versus and The MTN....most of our conference hates our TV deal and want to do more with it.

HOWEVER.....in 2008 the MWC earned over $48 million in revenue. Nothing to brag about considering larger conference making 5 times our revenue. That said, I certainly wouldn't be bragging if my conference was one of the lowest revenue conferences out there...less than $10 million in revenue in 2008 ( http://www.ncaabbs.com/printthread.php?tid=350645 ) .

We are in a new conference, in an area of the country that is growing faster than any other. UNLV is in a town of 2.5 million people. We can hold our own with TV ratings....we're a top 50 market and regardless of whether you think nobody cares about our history, people tune in to watch UNLV for whatever reason. The former Director over ESPN Regional and ESPN Marketing at UNLV (Tina Kunzer-Murphy) said that ESPN loves UNLV and BYU because we always draw well....even in football (for UNLV). UNLV had the late night ESPN timeslot all by our lonesome for years....had 5-10 games a year in hoops...after our glory years...all to ourselves but sacrificed it to be in our current conference.

Our TV deal sucks...we hate it....but at the same time, I get to watch 95% of our basketball and football games, so its not terrible for me, but terrible for exposure sake. As far as money goes, we have 9 teams that share our revenue and $50 million ÷ 9 is better than $9.75 million ÷ 10 ....I'm a UNLV grad, and even I KNOW that......but could you be getting more exposure? I guess....Better ratings? I guess.......but why is each school in our conference making roughly a little more than half of what YOUR WHOLE CONFERENCE IS MAKING???????!?!?!?!!?

[unifight41]

Re: from Pat Forde this morning:

If you are so disgusted with UNI fans. GO AWAY. We don't want or need your insults. I have yet to visit your site, and judging on the way you post on here, you are among some of the most arrogant a$$ fans I've ever encountered. Fine your conference makes more money, is so almighty, blah blah blah. Tell me how that plays into this UNI team playing your team. Get off your freaking horse.

[achrist70]

Re: from Pat Forde this morning:

If you are so disgusted with UNI fans. GO AWAY. We don't want or need your insults. I have yet to visit your site, and judging on the way you post on here, you are among some of the most arrogant a$$ fans I've ever encountered. Fine your conference makes more money, is so almighty, blah blah blah. Tell me how that plays into this UNI team playing your team. Get off your freaking horse.

UNLV fan making a agricultural related joke in 3,2,1

[unifight41]

Re: from Pat Forde this morning:

Sorry, shoulda been disease ridden prostitute.

[achrist70]

Re: from Pat Forde this morning:

Sorry, shoulda been disease ridden prostitute.

Amazing, if a UNLV fan needs me to explain the joke I will

[CBPanther97]

Re: from Pat Forde this morning:

UNLV fan making a agricultural related joke in 3,2,1

What even makes it MORE sad is they think living in the middle of a desert, within earshot of a nuclear test range is somehow superior to farmland.

What does Nevada do for America? Besides providing a playground that brings out the slimiest ills of modern society...

[UNI Fight]

Re: from Pat Forde this morning:



OK, Grayback I found your place on Google, but I need the address to send the sympathy card to when UNI beats your rebs. Thanks.

[Big_Al]

Re: from Pat Forde this morning:

But...nope, its like we've stepped into an alternate world where small-man syndrome rules supreme.

Frankly, comparing MWC's conference revenue to the MVC's is sort of like trumpeting that you're a taller midget. Both conferences are crushed revenue-wise by the Big 6 conferences. Also, your conference take would be considerably smaller if it weren't for TCU & Utah padding the conference coffers the last two years.

You have an okay record against a harder schedule, UNI has a great record against an easier schedule. As I said earlier, this game is like the Las Vegas bowl -- the #1 from an "inferior" conference against the #4 from a "superior" conference. I'm glad to hear you're concerned about the game, because history isn't in your favor as the #8 seed. Now, maybe, you should spread a bit of that caution to your fellow Rebels.

[CFBalla]

Re: from Pat Forde this morning:

By the way, unlvrebelx, your first impression wasn't the greatest either, if I recall correctly. I'm not sure you have researched enough, but we WANT teams to come in and actually talk about the game and the match-up with us. It's just when people start attacking the state and the people that we fight back. Get over yourself. We want a real discussion.

[Purple member]

Re: from Pat Forde this morning:

As far as bowl games in your home stadiums it has worked out for the Rose Bowl(UCLA), Orange Bowl(Miami), and Fiesta Bowl(Arizona St.). If it's good enough for 3 of the BCS bowls to have their home teams play there I guess that's a good enough precedent.

FYI, the Fiesta Bowl is not played at a college stadium (U of P stadium (home of the Cardinals)) We moved it out of Sun Devil stadium a few years ago.

Serious question for the MWC fans (a little off topic, but so is this entire thread). Is the PAC 10 going to expand in the near future, and if they do will it take any of your teams?

[Purple member]

Re: from Pat Forde this morning:

you're 10-1 vs. the RPI 100....but only played TWO top 50 RPI teams. :

Actually, we are 4-1 against the top 50 (Old Dominion, Siena, and 2-1 agianst Wichita State). Sadly, even if we beat you Thursday, we will still be 4-1 against the top 50 because you will no longer be in it.

[Rebelbacker]

Re: from Pat Forde this morning:

FYI, the Fiesta Bowl is not played at a college stadium (U of P stadium (home of the Cardinals)) We moved it out of Sun Devil stadium a few years ago.

Serious question for the MWC fans (a little off topic, but so is this entire thread). Is the PAC 10 going to expand in the near future, and if they do will it take any of your teams?

You're right about the Fiesta Bowl. I forgot about that.

As for your question on Pac-10 expansion. The rumor is that Utah will be leaving with Colorado to form the Pac-12. There is also a rumor that BYU would move to the Big 12 to fill CU's spot. There is so much politics involved that who really knows what is going to happen.

I've heard rumors of going to 4 super conferences and destroying the Big 12 and Big East. It all depends on the tv contracts coming up in a few years.

[casbern]

Re: from Pat Forde this morning:

You're right about the Fiesta Bowl. I forgot about that.

As for your question on Pac-10 expansion. The rumor is that Utah will be leaving with Colorado to form the Pac-12. There is also a rumor that BYU would move to the Big 12 to fill CU's spot. There is so much politics involved that who really knows what is going to happen.

I've heard rumors of going to 4 super conferences and destroying the Big 12 and Big East. It all depends on the tv contracts coming up in a few years.

It'll be interesting to see how this all shakes out for the smaller conferences such as the sunbelt and the MWC (no offense), and even some FCS programs, but it'll be a pretty good show, and I hope it fares well for both our schools.