Fred Hoiberg hired as ISU's new coach!

[Newsbreaker]

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The whole "gay" angle makes no sense in this context unless you thought it was some sort of slight. You're going to have to learn that if you're going to hang around this board then you'll have to up your mental game from the Cyclone crowd. We can see and understand context.

It's amazing that you're able to make several mental leaps to turn Farmer Fred into a good hire, but you can't figure out that people posting on a small message board tied to a small university might have actually attended the school.

[Kyle]

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Still, if this were prison, you'd be walking around with a finger in my pocket.

Gross. Is this supposed to be impressive? It gives me a stomach ache.

All prison and gay stuff aside, I think this was a poor hire...BUT, ISU is still in a better position than they were last week. You can't fault ISU fans for being optimistic and excited about being paid $800K to rid themselves of a coach who dragged them through the worst four years of ISU basketball history.

Most of the enthusiasm from ISU fans isn't about the hire, but about a new chapter being opened in the ISU basketball book. They are just excited to have a fresh start.

[cydave]

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The whole "gay" angle makes no sense in this context unless you thought it was some sort of slight. You're going to have to learn that if you're going to hang around this board then you'll have to up your mental game from the Cyclone crowd. We can see and understand context.

It's amazing that you're able to make several mental leaps to turn Farmer Fred into a good hire, but you can't figure out that people posting on a small message board tied to a small university might have actually attended the school.

Like I said, please quote the message where I was using Gay as a slam. Stop avoiding it, because you know I didn't say it.

Please tell me you're kidding about the bolded part. So, I guess I'm supposed to assume that every single person on this board went to UNI?? wow.. ok.
I guess it's the same everywhere else too, huh? When I go to Hawkeyenation or Cyclonefanatic, I guess everybody on there went to that respective school right?

[TH1974]

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While UNI has a greater female:male ratio, ISU still has more total females.

That's funny, but not as funny as this:

And yes, I'm still waiting for that post where I apparently used the word Gay, while slamming somebody...

You have to be careful when using the words 'gay' and 'slamming somebody' in the same sentence.

[06panther10]

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great thread.

[cydave]

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great thread.

Well, I have to get my post # up somehow.

[UNIChippewa]

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[I]This move isn't without precedent, Houston tried something similar with Clyde Drexler a decade or so ago. That worked out pretty well.[/I]

I don't know if you were serious or not, but it didn't work out pretty well, not at all. The Glide had two losing seasons before he "resigned".

As a dual UNI/ISU fan, that is my big worry with Fred Hoiberg, that he could be Clyde Drexler 2.0.

Newsbreaker....you strike me as being very smart and I think you know what you are talking about, and more often than not I agree with you. But Good God man, you also strike me as being an exceptionally arrogant and abrasive prick, to be quite frank. Don't you think you can make your point or disagree with someone without insulting their intelligence, demeaning their manhood or disparaging where they went to school? Do you intentionally go about trying to piss people off on here all the time? If you do, that is truly sad.

Man, if you're like this in real life I bet you're a blast at cocktail parties.....

[TH1974]

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Newsbreaker....you strike me as being very smart and I think you know what you are talking about, and more often than not I agree with you. But Good God man, you also strike me as being an exceptionally arrogant and abrasive prick, to be quite frank.

That's Newsbreaker in a nutshell right there, god bless him. Oh wait...did I just say 'nut'shell?

[SteinPizza]

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Hoiberg likely won't be heading to greener pastures. If he wins, he is one of those guys that will likely be in Ames for the long hall. It would also be awesome to have a Cyclone Legend coaching MBB.
If we had hired Gillispie, once he had a winning year or two, he would have been gone and left us to start over, yet again.

Cy, I asked a question very similar to TH in another thread. To me, "high reward" has little to do with stability. It's all about winning a championship. To that end, who's more likely to win you a Big 12 title? Fred Hoiberg, a guy like Billy Gillespie, or the top assistant at North Carolina (as an example)? IMO, the the later two have FAR more "high reward" potential.

Who knows, maybe Hoiberg works out? However, IMO, you guys should've opened up the HR department and conducted a national search. If Pollard feels a little burnt by hiring a top flight assistant (Chizek) only to have him bail out shortly thereafter - too bad, that's how the game is played.

[cydave]

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Cy, I asked a question very similar to TH in another thread. To me, "high reward" has little to do with stability. It's all about winning a championship. To that end, who's more likely to win you a Big 12 title? Fred Hoiberg, a guy like Billy Gillespie, or the top assistant at North Carolina (as an example)? IMO, the the later two have FAR more "high reward" potential.

Who knows, maybe Hoiberg works out? However, IMO, you guys should've opened up the HR department and conducted a national search. If Pollard feels a little burnt by hiring a top flight assistant (Chizek) only to have him bail out shortly thereafter - too bad, that's how the game is played.

Good question.
JP and President Geoffrey wants a coach that can represent the University with class, so that pretty much took Gillespie out of the equation. He was my first choice, btw
Bringing in a top assistant from a BCS school was my next option, but as far as pay increase goes, I'm not sure how much we were willing to spend and how much they would have wanted.
If one of those guys were to get close to winning a Big 12 title, they probably would have bolted asap, or just chose to left as soon as they could get another job, (i.e. Chizik). I think JP learned his lesson with that guy.
But, if he leaves, then we are right back where we are now.
JP took a chance with Hoiberg and I hope to God it works out.
I do find this hire very risky, but if it works out, it would just be awesome to have Hoiberg as our head coach for a long time. JP knows his job is on the line, Hoiberg gave up a great job to come and coach, so I trust both of them that this was a good hire.
Like I said earlier, Fred is going to need to surround himself with good assistants.

[UNIChippewa]

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Cy, I asked a question very similar to TH in another thread. To me, "high reward" has little to do with stability. It's all about winning a championship. To that end, who's more likely to win you a Big 12 title? Fred Hoiberg, a guy like Billy Gillespie, or the top assistant at North Carolina (as an example)? IMO, the the later two have FAR more "high reward" potential.

Who knows, maybe Hoiberg works out? However, IMO, you guys should've opened up the HR department and conducted a national search. If Pollard feels a little burnt by hiring a top flight assistant (Chizek) only to have him bail out shortly thereafter - too bad, that's how the game is played.

Couple of things here; in terms of stability, ISU NEEDS stability in the worst way, more so right now I think than winning a championship in the next couple of seasons IMO. Since Johnny Orr retired in 1994 the average tenure of the coaches who have followed him (Floyd, Eustachy, Morgan, and now McDermott) has averaged FOUR seasons. Iowa State is not so strong a program that it can sustain so much coaching turnover in so short a time span. If Hoiberg is successful he won't necessarily want to jump to a "bigger name" school with Ames being his hometown and Iowa State his alma mater. Johnny Orr was able to bring so much success to Iowa State in part by being there for so long. I hope Fred can do the same.

In regards to HR doing a nationwide search, that I totally agree with. I will support Fred Hoiberg as coach and give him the benefit of the doubt, but I'm pretty ambivalent about this hire.

[SteinPizza]

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Cy and Chippewa,

I don't mean to make it seem like Freddy insulted my mom or something. For ISU's sake, I hope it works. I'm just astounded JP did this without looking at all of his options. Then again, you can look too hard. There are Iowa backers that to this day are convinced Bob Stoops would be the football coach if Bowlsby would not have shopped around and signed him on the spot. KF has worked out fine, but you catch my drift I think.

As for Gillespie, two of the biggest assinine radio hosts I've ever heard, Boers and Bernstein here, were praying that Gillespie was hired at DePaul. The reason was that his personality and knack for trouble would've given them years worth of award winning material. That's great if you're a radio host, but not great if you're the AD or a passionate fan.

[cydave]

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Cy and Chippewa,

I don't mean to make it seem like Freddy insulted my mom or something. For ISU's sake, I hope it works. I'm just astounded JP did this without looking at all of his options. Then again, you can look too hard. There are Iowa backers that to this day are convinced Bob Stoops would be the football coach if Bowlsby would not have shopped around and signed him on the spot. KF has worked out fine, but you catch my drift I think.

As for Gillespie, two of the biggest assinine radio hosts I've ever heard, Boers and Bernstein here, were praying that Gillespie was hired at DePaul. The reason was that his personality and knack for trouble would've given them years worth of award winning material. That's great if you're a radio host, but not great if you're the AD or a passionate fan.

Yes, he did move surprisingly fast. And JP said that Fred was the first candidate he called, and obviously probably the only one he interviewed. He knew that Fred wanted the job, because Fred expressed that he wanted it when Morgan was fired. I guess JP wanted to see if Fred had a good plan in place and was ready, he must have convinced him well enough that he was ready to be the coach at ISU. I don't think either one of them would be where they are today if they weren't 100% sure this was going to work. Because if it doesn't, they know its their butts on the line.

[TH1974]

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I don't think either one of them would be where they are today if they weren't 100% sure this was going to work.

But don't you think that both Pollard and Greg McDermott were 100% sure it would work back in March 2007?

[cydave]

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But don't you think that both Pollard and Greg McDermott were 100% sure it would work back in March 2007?

The difference between then and now, is that was Pollard's first MBB hire.
He won't get 2 mulligans in MBB head coaches. He knows that if Fred can't produce at ISU, then he is likely packing his bags as well.
I think he feels confident enough that Hoiberg will do great things at ISU.