Reality Check

[panther1]

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but you even said yourself that there was a possible explanation where Jake turned down A&M. If Jakes price tag was too high, and they don't offer, that is essentially Jake turning down A&M. You don't think they would have given him the opportunity to lower his price?

I have no Idea what hppened, but nobody else outside either program does either. I'm just happy Jake is still in Cedar Falls. BTW, there is notheing wrong with going after a better opportunity and I don't think many would have been mad if he left.

Yes, the money approach is one plausible situation that could have resulted in Ben turning down A&M. That would be more a mutual decision than anything and could have happened.

I've been in this situation, and I 'withdrew from consideration', so yes, this can happen. The employer picked a lesser candidate and to this day I am certain that candidate has no idea that they were option #2 (or lower). A win-win for everyone.

[Chitown Panther]

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There has been alot of speculation that A&M could expand their football stadium to 115K. I just don't see a couple hundred K here or there as the difference in this coaching hire. A&M got the hire they wanted is the way I see it....

[jnutt]

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you can believe whatever the hell you want but the fact remains that Jacobson is still the coach at UNI. I have never had any reason to doubt Jacobson. Seriously name me any time that he has given you any reason to doubt him?

I was totally shocked to see that this was a job that Jacobson would consider. I still see him eventually taking over for Bo Ryan up at Wisconsin in my opinion. If he ever leaves

[UNI83]

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Here is what we know:

1. TAMU contacted Jake
2. Jake asked Mr. Dannen to talk to TAMU
3. Dannen said yes to Jake talking to TAMU
4. TAMU and Coach Jake met in Fargo
5. Coach Jake called TAMU the next day (before TAMU called him to tell him what they wanted) to say he did not want the job.
6. TAMU then offered the job to Billy Kennedy


Take from that what you want, but Jake turned the job down. Whether or not he would have gotten the offer (or maybe had some basic form of offer) will probably never be known. What is known is that Jake turned down TAMU, in some fashion.

[panther1]

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Here is what we know:

1. TAMU contacted Jake
2. Jake asked Mr. Dannen to talk to TAMU
3. Dannen said yes to Jake talking to TAMU
4. TAMU and Coach Jake met in Fargo
5. Coach Jake called TAMU the next day (before TAMU called him to tell him what they wanted) to say he did not want the job.
6. TAMU then offered the job to Billy Kennedy


Take from that what you want, but Jake turned the job down. Whether or not he would have gotten the offer (or maybe had some basic form of offer) will probably never be known. What is known is that Jake turned down TAMU, in some fashion.

Items 5 and 6 are not any more known than what I originally posted...

[CyCarp]

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Myself I have trouble believing that Jake wanted more money. $1.35 mil (I think was reportedly the most A&M would offer) is still a huge raise from what he's making now. I can't imagine him turning down a raise that size because it's not enough. Especially what we've seem from him as a person. Also, from everything I read Ben was the one who called A&M. Kind of odd that A&M would tell him to withdrew his name if that's the case. But then again everybody could just be lying about everything. Either way, everybody reads the story and puts it together there own way. I can kind of see your point of view, but all the facts just doesn't add up like that for me.

[UNI83]

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Items 5 and 6 are not any more known than what I originally posted...

You drew from that conclusion that TAMU didn't want Jake and he was the second choice. I don't believe that. The fact that TAMU would fly to Fargo after having met with Kennedy already tells me who the front runner was....that and the fact that more places "in the know" were claiming Jake was the front runner going into Saturday (and early Sunday) than Kennedy.

The timeline I'm gathering is that all media outlets started to say that Kennedy accepted the position shortly after the time I'd guess Jake called TAMU to tell them "I don't care if you want to give me the position or not, I'm staying at UNI".



I'm simply putting 2 and 1.5 (since I"m not 100% sure I cant for a full 2) to get 3.5

[Panther-Sheik]

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I like that...purple glasses, and it fits this situation exactly. There is no shame in Ben not getting this job, but for so many to blindly believe that he somehow 'turned them down' is just unreasonable.

The only thing unreasonable is those that continue to express their opinions on this matter as fact. The ONLY thing that has been stated as fact from someone pretty close to this situation (Jake himself) is that he looked long and hard at it and decided it wasn't the right move and got out before an offer or non-offer came. If you choose not to believe him that is your choice, but please STOP stating it as fact. Oh, and Obama doctored the Hawaii newspaper and his birthcertificate; and Osama BL is still alive.

[jman2004]

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To anyone not wearing purple glasses Coach Jake didn't get this job, common, VERY COMMON practice is to allow un-successful candidates an opportunity to save face by "taking their name out of the running." Maybe he told them what it was going to take, and they didn't offer it, anyway around it, TA&M made this decision, not Ben. I am okay with that, I love our coach (I know I always haven't) and I am super happy he is not going anywhere, it just is what it is.

Then why interview with the Courier and lie about it all? I get you, about common practice and all. I just don't see Ben turning around and making up this story for the Courier.

And BTW, if "he told them what it was going to take" and A&M didn't offer it . . . I wouldn't be so quick to say that A&M made the decision in the end.

I truly think it comes down to the fact that he'd turned down so many of these interviews recently assuming that things at UNI were great, and now with A&M coming along, poised to be a great program for a little while, he decided to take the interview and see what the BCS programs were all about.

Remember ESPN and many other outlets had insider reports claiming that Jacobson was actually in the lead for the position after a very impressive interview in Fargo.

[UNI83]

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but all the facts just doesn't add up like that for me.

Exactly.

The story of TAMU telling him he wasn't their pick so just to say that he withdrew his name...yet Jake is the one that initiated that phone call...just doesn't make any sense.

[CyCarp]

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Items 5 and 6 are not any more known than what I originally posted...

You're right, all the writers are liars... Hell, how do we even know A&M met with Ben?

[06panther10]

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Also, from everything I read Ben was the one who called A&M.

Ben Jacobson said Texas A&M pursued him -- not the other way around.

http://wcfcourier.com/sports/college...cc4c03286.html

[UNI83]

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The only thing unreasonable is those that continue to express their opinions on this matter as fact. The ONLY thing that has been stated as fact from someone pretty close to this situation (Jake himself) is that he looked long and hard at it and decided it wasn't the right move and got out before an offer or non-offer came. If you choose not to believe him that is your choice, but please STOP stating it as fact. Oh, and Obama doctored the Hawaii newspaper and his birthcertificate; and Osama BL is still alive.

In my opinion, for whatever it is worth, is that any coach who tells a school he doesn't want the job before he finds out if they want to offer him or not is him turning the job down.

[cydave]

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I don't think I've ever seen so many people argue over who turned who down, or whatever you want to call it. (And that's saying a lot because there are some weird arguments over on CycloneFanatic) But, does it really matter? In the end, you should just be damn happy that Ben is staying at UNI.

[CyCarp]

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http://wcfcourier.com/sports/college...cc4c03286.html

I should have clarified, I mean't Ben called them after the interview to withdraw his name (which in my mind puts the kabosh to A&M telling him to withdraw), while A&M pursued him to get the interview.