Reality Check

[jman2004]

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http://wcfcourier.com/sports/college...cc4c03286.html

I think CyCarp is talking about when Jake supposedly withdrew his name. Not initial contact about the position . . .

[06panther10]

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ah, my bad. You are correct.

[Panther-Sheik]

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In my opinion, for whatever it is worth, is that any coach who tells a school he doesn't want the job before he finds out if they want to offer him or not is him turning the job down.

I agree. And it doesn't necessarily mean he didn't get the extra $100K he was looking for. It is truly possible that he chose to stay in Cedar Falls for whatever personal reasons that he and his wife decided. I once chose to stay unemployed and keep my family in Cedar Falls rather than moving to Arizona for a six figure job. You can call me a liar if you want (and I know some of you will), but it is true. And guess what...it all worked out and I couldn't be happier that we chose to stay here.

[panther1]

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The only thing unreasonable is those that continue to express their opinions on this matter as fact. The ONLY thing that has been stated as fact from someone pretty close to this situation (Jake himself) is that he looked long and hard at it and decided it wasn't the right move and got out before an offer or non-offer came. If you choose not to believe him that is your choice, but please STOP stating it as fact. Oh, and Obama doctored the Hawaii newspaper and his birthcertificate; and Osama BL is still alive.

I understand your problem with reading my opinion as fact. I started this thread more as a conversation piece than a fact finding mission (none of us will ever know the full story, and chance are that reality is probably a combination of several theories expressed in this thread and others); and it has at least made people think. That is a good thing. I still believe that Kennedy was the selection for A&M. I also do not believe that Ben has lied about what unfolded, but I do feel he has put his own 'positive' spin on what happened. Good for him and good for us.

[jman2004]

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An insider also told ESPN's Andy Katz that A&M's only mark against Jacobson was his lack of recruiting ties in Texas. Sunday morning was to be spent discussing whether or not this should have been a big concern.

Then, Jacobson called making their job easier.

[jman2004]

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I understand your problem with reading my opinion as fact. I started this thread more as a conversation piece than a fact finding mission (none of us will ever know the full story, and chance are that reality is probably a combination of several theories expressed in this thread and others); and it has at least made people think. That is a good thing. I still believe that Kennedy was the selection for A&M. I also do not believe that Ben has lied about what unfolded, but I do feel he has put his own 'positive' spin on what happened. Good for him and good for us.

Ahhh . . . so you were just trying to make us all think?

[strike00]

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I don't think I've ever seen so many people argue over who turned who down, or whatever you want to call it. (And that's saying a lot because there are some weird arguments over on CycloneFanatic) But, does it really matter? In the end, you should just be damn happy that Ben is staying at UNI.

there is really nothing much else to talk about. Football is still pretty far away, spring sports are over with for the most part, and summer basketball is still a month away at least. Why not argue about this, doesn't really hurt anything

[panther1]

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Ahhh . . . so you were just trying to make us all think?

Yep.

[UNI83]

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I agree. And it doesn't necessarily mean he didn't get the extra $100K he was looking for. It is truly possible that he chose to stay in Cedar Falls for whatever personal reasons that he and his wife decided. I once chose to stay unemployed and keep my family in Cedar Falls rather than moving to Arizona for a six figure job. You can call me a liar if you want (and I know some of you will), but it is true. And guess what...it all worked out and I couldn't be happier that we chose to stay here.

I completely understand that. While I was between jobs I looked at Des Moines (not nearly as far from CF and Arizona obviously) but felt as though I'd be much happier in CF than DSM. I went with a CF job and haven't regretted it, and likely never will.

I don't think Jake will ever regret this...unless he wins 4 games total over the next 7 years and gets fired and can never find another job anywhere and is run out of the Cedar Valley by people carrying torches and guns.

[cydave]

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there is really nothing much else to talk about. Football is still pretty far away, spring sports are over with for the most part, and summer basketball is still a month away at least. Why not argue about this, doesn't really hurt anything

You could discuss beer.

[panther1]

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An insider also told ESPN's Andy Katz that A&M's only mark against Jacobson was his lack of recruiting ties in Texas. Sunday morning was to be spent discussing whether or not this should have been a big concern.

Then, Jacobson called making their job easier.

You realize that guys like Katz don't always have insiders any closer to the situation than you or I, right? But putting that in front of their opinions or others' makes it appear more credible. Here we go...another argument...nevermind, nevermind...

Disclaimer: Katz may or may not have had insiders in this situation, this is simply an observation.

[UNI83]

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You realize that guys like Katz don't always have insiders any closer to the situation than you or I, right? But putting that in front of their opinions or others' makes it appear more credible. Here we go...another argument...nevermind, nevermind...

Disclaimer: Katz may or may not have had insiders in this situation, this is simply an observation.

I'm willing to bet Andy Katz has contacts that the dream version of you could only dream about. There is a reason he works for ESPN (and very easily could work for Fox Sports, SI, SportingNews, etc...)

The only reporter I'd bet has more contacts than Katz is Jay Glazer.

[panther1]

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I'm willing to bet Andy Katz has contacts that the dream version of you could only dream about. There is a reason he works for ESPN (and very easily could work for Fox Sports, SI, SportingNews, etc...)

The only reporter I'd bet has more contacts than Katz is Jay Glazer.

Everything you said is correct. The insiders on this hire were jumping the gun left and right, and Katz' source may have believed that the only knock on Ben was recruiting Texas. And if that was the only knock on him for one of the better BCS jobs to open up this season, that shows how hot of a commodity he is. I'm always interested just how close the insider actually is to the decision maker; and like the offer/no offer to Ben, we'll never know.

[orangetennis]

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frankly you guys, it doesn't matter if Ben turned down the job or not. the fact that he interviewed means he is open to the idea of leaving cedar falls. personally I think the offer wasn't there because of Jake's lack of ties to the Texas area but again I could care less. I love Ben & hope he never leaves but I also understand where UNI is on the NCAA Hoops landscape & it's not near the top. I have no problem with Ben interviewing for higher level jobs & believe he will one day take one. This past weekend's events proved that to me.

[UNI83]

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frankly you guys, it doesn't matter if Ben turned down the job or not. the fact that he interviewed means he is open to the idea of leaving cedar falls. personally I think the offer wasn't there because of Jake's lack of ties to the Texas area but again I could care less. I love Ben & hope he never leaves but I also understand where UNI is on the NCAA Hoops landscape & it's not near the top. I have no problem with Ben interviewing for higher level jobs & believe he will one day take one. This past weekend's events proved that to me.

What it proved is that it is going to take at least 1.5 million, a top 10-15 team, and a couple other things.


This is the only one Jake has ever talked too, and has turned down even talking to many BCS schools. I firmly believe it is going to take a Wisconsin, Minnesota, Kansas (insert can't beat them join them joke here), etc... type job for him to move.