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  • UNI vs. Iowa.. Boxscore is Misleading...

    Ever since the game ended I have heard... "the coaches screwed Iowa!", "How much did UNI pay these refs?"...and a bunch of other excuses regarding the disparity in fouls and FTs.

    Overall, the refs did a great job. Iowa got away with lowering their shoulders and driving in the lane and UNI got away with a couple clear outs by Pehl. The game was very evenly called. So, if it were evenly called, why the huge foul and FT difference in UNI’s favor?

    ***The box score shows that Iowa had 10 more fouls and UNI had 24 more FTs. Of course that would raise questions, right? But, when you actually look at it closer those numbers prove to be very skewed and misleading. ***

    1st Half:

    * Overall fouls in 1st half were Iowa 11 and UNI 8. Very close. The difference was that Iowa had 4 offensive fouls, which were good calls. Iowa drives to the lane and pounds a lot more than UNI, which leads to more offensive fouls. Especially when you play a good defensive team like UNI.

    * In the first half, both UNI and Iowa went to the line for 1and1’s 3 times. Iowa missed all 3 front ends and UNI made all 3, giving them what seems to be a pretty big 9 to 3 edge, when in fact it would have been 6 to 9 if Iowa made their FTs, and possibly even 6 to 6 had UNI missed their front ends.

    2nd Half:

    * Neither team shot a FT in the first 10 minutes of the 2nd half and the fouls were Iowa 3 and UNI 1. So, through 3 quarters of the game, fouls and FTs were basically even, the only difference still being UNI made front ends of 1and1s and Iowa committing stupid offensive fouls in the 1st half.

    *Iowa was playing well and got it within a bucket when it all unraveled with 10 minutes to go. UNI got 1 home cooked call (Pehl extended his arm and drew a foul for 2 FT’s) and then McCabe got called for a charge (which was actually a good call) and Fran went nuts and hit a bottle off the scorer’s table. In addition, his assistant coach got called for a T as well, giving UNI 4 FTs and the ball. On the extra possession Tuttle got raked by McCabe and McCabe swats the ball, giving UNI 4 more FTs. If Fran wouldn’t have gone nuts, none of those 8 FTs would have probably happened. So, it went from 0 FTs for either team in the half to an 8 to 0 advantage for UNI.

    * From the 10 minute mark to the 5 minute mark, there were just 3 fouls called, 2 on Iowa (both offensive) and 1 on UNI. FTs were Iowa 1 to UNI 0. Again, very evenly called even after Fran had gone crazy.

    * During the final 5 minutes, the FTs were Iowa 6 to UNI 14. Again, this is inflated due to Fran’s Ts. The foul difference was actually only 1 with Iowa having 7 and UNI 6. Thanks to Fran, instead of UNI drawing just their 4th and 5th fouls around the 5 minute mark and having to take the ball out-of-bounds, they were in the bonus. UNI turned those 2 extra 1and1 opportunities into 4 more made FTs. Of course, these 4 extra made FTs (a direct result of Fran’s first boneheaded T) made Fran explode and he went nuts again (chasing the ref around the court and having to be escorted by police), giving UNI yet again 4 more FTs (2 for the T and 2 more with the extra possession that UNI got due to Fran’s T). So again, if it weren’t for the T’s the FT difference would have been Iowa 6 to UNI 6 (4 extra 1and1 makes and 4 extra due to Fran’s T and extra possession UNI got from it).

    Summary:

    *Basically, if it weren’t for their Coach (and missed front ends of 1and1s), Iowa would have had a pretty good chance to upset UNI. Iowa would have only ended up with 19 fouls (6 of which were offensive) to UNI’s 15. And, instead of there being a 9 to 33 difference in shot FTs, it would have been Iowa 13 to UNI 17.
    Last edited by pantherfan4ever; 12-07-2011, 01:37 PM.
    John 3:16

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    Re: UNI vs. Iowa.. Boxscore is Misleading...

    Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

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      Re: UNI vs. Iowa.. Boxscore is Misleading...

      No problem! I love looking into stats! ha
      John 3:16

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      • #4
        Re: UNI vs. Iowa.. Boxscore is Misleading...

        That was simply an outstanding post. I knew the whining wasn't legit, but had no idea it went to that depth and how even it truly was until reading what you wrote. My early nominee for basketball forum post of the year.
        Give us a yell, HO! The purple and the gold
        Victory for U-N-I!

        Find out what the other team wants to do, then take it away from them.
        - George Halas

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        • #5
          Re: UNI vs. Iowa.. Boxscore is Misleading...

          On the drive in this morning I was thinking about the exact same things.... and one quote by Charles Swindoll that we've all heard. "Life is 10% of what happens to you and 90% of how you react to it"

          The reaction by Fran and team took them out of the game. I would admit that after the first "T", a few calls that wouldn't have gone our way earlier, did. Fran received a warning and didn't heed the advice.

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            Re: UNI vs. Iowa.. Boxscore is Misleading...

            Great post.
            GO PANTHERS!

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            • #7
              Re: UNI vs. Iowa.. Boxscore is Misleading...

              Great work. Those claiming that the officiating was clearly biased in favor of UNI are liars.
              TH1974: This guy was all-UNI, and wanted to show it by pretending to play a non-existant musical instrument in public.

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              • #8
                Re: UNI vs. Iowa.. Boxscore is Misleading...

                Will someone please post this at Hawkeye Report? They don't like facts much there and it would nice to interject some into their world.
                "10% of life is what happens to you, 90% is how you react to what happens."

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                  Re: UNI vs. Iowa.. Boxscore is Misleading...

                  Good work post this on the Iowa message board a see what the responce is.

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                    Re: UNI vs. Iowa.. Boxscore is Misleading...

                    Thanks everyone. I'm glad the post is appreciated after spending quite a bit of time on it last night. I would post it on the hawkeye message board, but don't have an account on there. If someone else has an account, and wants to post it on there, go ahead. I have no problem with you putting it up on there!
                    John 3:16

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                      Re: UNI vs. Iowa.. Breaking down disparity in fouls and FTs.

                      Originally posted by pantherfan4ever View Post
                      Summary:

                      *Basically, if it weren’t for their Coach (and missed front ends of 1and1s), Iowa would have had a pretty good chance to upset UNI. Iowa would have only ended up with 19 fouls (6 of which were offensive) to UNI’s 15. And, instead of there being a 9 to 33 difference in shot FTs, it would have been Iowa 13 to UNI 17.
                      This almost brought a tear to my eye

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                        Re: UNI vs. Iowa.. Breaking down disparity in fouls and FTs.

                        Originally posted by otter View Post
                        This almost brought a tear to my eye
                        was it the fact that if Iowa beat UNI, it would actually be considered an upset?
                        John 3:16

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                          Re: UNI vs. Iowa.. Boxscore is Misleading...

                          never thought id see the day to say..it would be an upset

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                            Re: UNI vs. Iowa.. Boxscore is Misleading...

                            Very nice post. First off I am a big hawkeye fan but graduated from UNI so the panthers are my #1 team with Iowa a close #2. Watching the game I didn't think anything of poor officiating before the techs. The fact that Fran lost his cool is what caused Iowa no chance to win, not the refs. I can't believe how embarrassing the hawk fans are on their sites. Most have lost a sense of reality that the team is flat out not that good. They did play their best 30 minutes of the year before Fran blew up. Many on Iowa's board are glad he did this and stood up for the team but I hate to say it, I think it will backfire. The season is going to get much harder for them before getting any easier. Meanwhile UNI plays great disciplined ball game after game and look like they will be talked about all season long as a tourney team or at least a bubble team. We have a great coach I just hope he stays.

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                              Re: UNI vs. Iowa.. Breaking down disparity in fouls and FTs.

                              Originally posted by pantherfan4ever View Post
                              Ever since the game ended I have heard... "the coaches screwed Iowa!", "How much did UNI pay these refs?"...and a bunch of other excuses regarding the disparity in fouls and FTs.

                              Overall, the refs did a great job. Iowa got away with lowering their shoulders and driving in the lane and UNI got away with a couple clear outs by PehlActually Iowa didn't get away with it...they called for alot of offensive fouls.. The game was very evenly called. So, if it were evenly called, why the huge foul and FT difference in UNI’s favor?

                              ***The box score shows that Iowa had 10 more fouls and UNI had 24 more FTs. Of course that would raise questions, right? But, when you actually look at it closer those numbers prove to be very skewed and misleading. ***

                              1st Half:

                              * Overall fouls in 1st half were Iowa 11 and UNI 8. Very close. The difference was that Iowa had 4 offensive fouls, which were good calls. Iowa drives to the lane and pounds a lot more than UNI, which leads to more offensive foulsIt typically leads to defensive fouls as well; not last night though. You can't have your cake and eat it to.. Especially when you play a good defensive team like UNI.

                              * In the first half, both UNI and Iowa went to the line for 1and1’s 3 times. Iowa missed all 3 front ends and UNI made all 3, giving them what seems to be a pretty big 9 to 3 edge, when in fact it would have been 6 to 9 if Iowa made their FTs, and possibly even 6 to 6 had UNI missed their front ends.

                              2nd Half:

                              * Neither team shot a FT in the first 10 minutes of the 2nd half and the fouls were Iowa 3 and UNI 1. So, through 3 quarters of the game, fouls and FTs were basically even, the only difference still being UNI made front ends of 1and1s and Iowa committing stupid offensive fouls in the 1st half.Part of the issue is that some of those were questionable. McCabe getting called for essentially the same thing Pehl was getting away with.

                              *Iowa was playing well and got it within a bucket when it all unraveled with 10 minutes to go. UNI got 1 home cooked call (Pehl extended his arm and drew a foul for 2 FT’s) and then McCabe got called for a charge (which was actually a good call) and Fran went nuts and hit a bottle off the scorer’s table. In addition, his assistant coach got called for a T as well, giving UNI 4 FTs and the ball. On the extra possession Tuttle got raked by McCabe Watched the replay and I don't think McCabe touched him hence the frustration and hitting the ball out of the net. You see players do that all the time and rarely if ever does it result in a t.and McCabe swats the ball, giving UNI 4 more FTs. If Fran wouldn’t have gone nuts, none of those 8 FTs would have probably happened. So, it went from 0 FTs for either team in the half to an 8 to 0 advantage for UNI.

                              * From the 10 minute mark to the 5 minute mark, there were just 3 fouls called, 2 on Iowa (both offensive) and 1 on UNI. FTs were Iowa 1 to UNI 0. Again, very evenly called even after Fran had gone crazy.

                              * During the final 5 minutes, the FTs were Iowa 6 to UNI 14. Again, this is inflated due to Fran’s Ts. The foul difference was actually only 1 with Iowa having 7 and UNI 6. Thanks to Fran, instead of UNI drawing just their 4th and 5th fouls around the 5 minute mark and having to take the ball out-of-bounds, they were in the bonus. UNI turned those 2 extra 1and1 opportunities into 4 more made FTs. Of course, these 4 extra made FTs (a direct result of Fran’s first boneheaded T) made Fran explode and he went nuts again (chasing the ref around the court and having to be escorted by police), giving UNI yet again 4 more FTs (2 for the T and 2 more with the extra possession that UNI got due to Fran’s T). So again, if it weren’t for the T’s the FT difference would have been Iowa 6 to UNI 6 (4 extra 1and1 makes and 4 extra due to Fran’s T and extra possession UNI got from it).

                              Summary:

                              *Basically, if it weren’t for their Coach (and missed front ends of 1and1s), Iowa would have had a pretty good chance to upset UNI. Iowa would have only ended up with 19 fouls (6 of which were offensive) to UNI’s 15. And, instead of there being a 9 to 33 difference in shot FTs, it would have been Iowa 13 to UNI 17.
                              UNI had 2 fouls the first 15:43 of the 2nd half. 2. 2 fouls. They had 5 fouls to close out the last 4:17 of the half when the game was out of hand. Do you think maybe the officials realized the discrepancy at that point and tried to even things out a bit...it sure looked like it because UNI got called for a couple cheap hand checks. Again this happened when the game was already decided. There are a lot of holes in your summation, but to each his own. There is a 10 min video on Hawkeyenation that shows the fouls called against Iowa and it is absolutely laughable on some of them. I especially liked when Brommer got "pushed" to the floor with the ball and was called for traveling...it was so pathetic it was funny.

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