UNI vs. Iowa.. Boxscore is Misleading...

[TheMacHouse]

Re: UNI vs. Iowa.. Breaking down disparity in fouls and FTs.

UNI had 2 fouls the first 15:43 of the 2nd half. 2. 2 fouls. They had 5 fouls to close out the last 4:17 of the half when the game was out of hand. Do you think maybe the officials realized the discrepancy at that point and tried to even things out a bit...it sure looked like it because UNI got called for a couple cheap hand checks. Again this happened when the game was already decided. There are a lot of holes in your summation, but to each his own. There is a 10 min video on Hawkeyenation that shows the fouls called against Iowa and it is absolutely laughable on some of them. I especially liked when Brommer got "pushed" to the floor with the ball and was called for traveling...it was so pathetic it was funny.

That is all after the techs. Before the first tech the fouls were 15-9 for the whole game. Not a real big difference for most coaches to get real mad. If FM goes ape**** ever time this happens I feel sorry for Iowa especially in a close game. Someone posted already in another thread that he was sitting behind the Iowa bench and FM was complaining after a few minutes when Iowa was up 10-0. He got what he deserved.

[UNIpanther99]

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UNI had 2 fouls the first 15:43 of the 2nd half. 2. 2 fouls. They had 5 fouls to close out the last 4:17 of the half when the game was out of hand. Do you think maybe the officials realized the discrepancy at that point and tried to even things out a bit...it sure looked like it because UNI got called for a couple cheap hand checks. Again this happened when the game was already decided. There are a lot of holes in your summation, but to each his own. There is a 10 min video on Hawkeyenation that shows the fouls called against Iowa and it is absolutely laughable on some of them. I especially liked when Brommer got "pushed" to the floor with the ball and was called for traveling...it was so pathetic it was funny.

Welcome to Panthernation. UNI is Iowa 10 years ago. The superior in-state school who gets some calls at home en route to a 20 point victory. The only difference is Sam Weaver didn't blow a head gasket -- he knew his role.

Get over yourself.

[Gitwitit]

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That is all after the techs. Before the first tech the fouls were 15-9 for the whole game. Not a real big difference for most coaches to get real mad. If FM goes ape**** ever time this happens I feel sorry for Iowa especially in a close game. Someone posted already in another thread that he was sitting behind the Iowa bench and FM was complaining after a few minutes when Iowa was up 10-0. He got what he deserved.

Please tellme you are joking? 2 fouls in nearly 16 minutes. That is really an incredible statistic that would be hard to match. I bet you can't find another game in which that happened. Do you follow b-ball or did you ever play? It's not just the number of fouls, it's the nature of the fouls. Iowa got dinged for a bunch of cheapies and UNI was getting away with the same thing.

There is a difference between arguing with the officials and working the officials. Watch some of the great coaches across the country and they are constantly on the officials. Bo Ryan, Tom Izzo, Roy Williams, John Calipari, etc....these guys are constantly pacing the sidelines and in the ears of the officials. It's part of coaching.

Homerism at it's finest.

[Gitwitit]

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Welcome to Panthernation. UNI is Iowa 10 years ago. The superior in-state school who gets some calls at home en route to a 20 point victory. The only difference is Sam Weaver didn't blow a head gasket -- he knew his role.

Get over yourself.

I never claimed Iowa was good so there's not much to get over. UNI is my 2nd favorite team...I just think it was the most lopsided officiating I have seen. Thanks for not debating where I pointed out holes in your original post.

[panther-state]

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The fact that Iowa fans still believe that there is some sort of conspiracy among officials to make sure they lose is just plain ol' "butt-hurt" at it's finest. With each and every snivel and sob you guys just look less and less classy and more like the little kid on the block who cried to mommy when the big boys didn't let him win. Please. This is why last night was such a treat, putting a whipping on the Hawks and sitting them down firmly in their place: Below the Panthers....WAAAAY below.

I still believe the Hawks went 1-12 from 3 and lacked offensive creativity. If you settle for bad shots and then decide to not play defense then how do you expect to win a D-I college basketball game?? Riddle me that buddy.

Now, was the officiating ticky-tack at times? Yes. There was even a play where a Hawk drove to the lane, James is guarding him, they touch and BOOM, apparent reach-in by James when his hands were spread wide to his base, not going for the ball. All in all the Hawks were not disciplined enough to compete with the Panthers and if you wanted to get more physical than Pehl, Tuttle and Koch would've gladly complied and stuffed the ball down your throats. I think we could've had decent success down low in the paint but when Iowa decided to leave the perimeter open every time, why not rain in some 3's?

[UnderParPanther]

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UNI had 2 fouls the first 15:43 of the 2nd half. 2. 2 fouls. They had 5 fouls to close out the last 4:17 of the half when the game was out of hand. Do you think maybe the officials realized the discrepancy at that point and tried to even things out a bit...it sure looked like it because UNI got called for a couple cheap hand checks. Again this happened when the game was already decided. There are a lot of holes in your summation, but to each his own. There is a 10 min video on Hawkeyenation that shows the fouls called against Iowa and it is absolutely laughable on some of them. I especially liked when Brommer got "pushed" to the floor with the ball and was called for traveling...it was so pathetic it was funny.

I can counter that w/ Jake Koch being pushed after a rebound in the 2nd half where he got called for travelling as well.

The only foul I felt was horribly missed was on Pehl that happened right before techfest 2011. McCabe's was a clear cut charge. I dont have a problem w/ Fran getting the T as it was inevitable that it was going to happen at some point the way he was "working" the officials for the entire game.

The assistant coach who was T'd up needs to have better control over himself and so does McCabe. If there's only the 1st technical, I dont think we are even talking about the missed foul on Pehl as its being nitpicked as an excuse to blame the refs. I also thought the foul on Gatens where he kinda got tangled up w/ sonnen ( i think it was sonnen ) was iffy and most likely a no call in most situations. I dont think the ref who called that foul was even looking at them directly.

For as good as Iowa played I couldn't believe the self destruction from the entire team (coaches and players).

I feel bad for Gatens as he is one of the better players to play for Iowa in quite a while and his talent is just getting wasted. Put him on a good team and he'd be pretty dangerous IMO.

I wonder if it possible Fran could get the boot after this year.

[TravelingPanther]

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There is a difference between arguing with the officials and working the officials. Watch some of the great coaches across the country and they are constantly on the officials. Bo Ryan, Tom Izzo, Roy Williams, John Calipari, etc....these guys are constantly pacing the sidelines and in the ears of the officials. It's part of coaching.

Homerism at it's finest.

Seriously? What Ryan, Izzo, Williams, etc do is normal and perfectly acceptable. What Fran does is act like an angry baby. I was disappointed when Iowa hired him. We had already seen his crap twice. Even his wife has been removed from a game. That is not gamesmanship, that is douchebaggery.

[1988]

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I never claimed Iowa was good so there's not much to get over. UNI is my 2nd favorite team...I just think it was the most lopsided officiating I have seen. Thanks for not debating where I pointed out holes in your original post.

Go cry to your mom and face the fact iowa sucks.

[r54uni]

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Where in the handbook of basketball does it state that fouls need to be equal between both teams?? Could it be that UNI knows how to play tough defense without fouling.

[95UNIGRAD]

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Only a hotheaded Hawk fan could have something explained so clearly for them, and yet still not get it. The rest of your brethren have avoided this thread like the plague, realizing the truth after reading it in the OP. Maybe you should stop sounding like a whiny brat and follow their example, lest you look even more foolish.

[TheMacHouse]

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Please tellme you are joking? 2 fouls in nearly 16 minutes. That is really an incredible statistic that would be hard to match. I bet you can't find another game in which that happened. Do you follow b-ball or did you ever play? It's not just the number of fouls, it's the nature of the fouls. Iowa got dinged for a bunch of cheapies and UNI was getting away with the same thing.

There is a difference between arguing with the officials and working the officials. Watch some of the great coaches across the country and they are constantly on the officials. Bo Ryan, Tom Izzo, Roy Williams, John Calipari, etc....these guys are constantly pacing the sidelines and in the ears of the officials. It's part of coaching.

Homerism at it's finest.

I'm trying to say your coach didn't have to go ape**** when he did and cost his team the game. How many times have you seen the coaches you listed go ape**** and lose their team the gam like Fran. It's one thing to walk up and down the sideline talking to the officials it is another thing to go crazy. I never remember Dean Smith walking up and down the sidelines but I think his teams did okay. Get over it and stop acting like a crybaby like the rest of your fan base.

The refs might not of been the best but they didn't cost your team the game. Your coach did and the fact your team couldn't make the front end of a one-and-one in the first half costing your team a possible 6 points.

[desertcat]

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i also remember moran driving baseline and getting shoved with an obvious forearm only to be called out of bounds before his dish to sonnen for 3. bad calls went both ways, but the game changer was the hawks complete lack of discipline.

[Gitwitit]

Re: UNI vs. Iowa.. Boxscore is Misleading...

The fact that Iowa fans still believe that there is some sort of conspiracy among officials to make sure they lose is just plain ol' "butt-hurt" at it's finest. With each and every snivel and sob you guys just look less and less classy and more like the little kid on the block who cried to mommy when the big boys didn't let him win. Please. This is why last night was such a treat, putting a whipping on the Hawks and sitting them down firmly in their place: Below the Panthers....WAAAAY below. Whatever helps you sleep better at night. The fact is it was a 2 pt game with 10 mins left, so I don't think the separation is quite as great as you do.

I still believe the Hawks went 1-12 from 3 and lacked offensive creativity. If you settle for bad shots and then decide to not play defense then how do you expect to win a D-I college basketball game?? Riddle me that buddy. Bad shots huh! Iowa shot 59% in the 1st half and over 50% for the entire game.[/B]

Now, was the officiating ticky-tack at times? Yes. There was even a play where a Hawk drove to the lane, James is guarding him, they touch and BOOM, apparent reach-in by James when his hands were spread wide to his base, not going for the ball. All in all the Hawks were not disciplined enough to compete with the Panthers and if you wanted to get more physical than Pehl, Tuttle and Koch would've gladly complied and stuffed the ball down your throats. I think we could've had decent success down low in the paint but when Iowa decided to leave the perimeter open every time, why not rain in some 3's?

Iowa was more physical and they were penalized for it. They outscored the panthers 2-1 in the paint.

[TheMacHouse]

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Iowa was more physical and they were penalized for it. They outscored the panthers 2-1 in the paint.

Box score says points in the paint Iowa 20 UNI 14. Maybe in UI land that equals 2:1 but in all other lands that is not close to 2:1. Fail!

[TravelingPanther]

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Iowa was more physical and they were penalized for it. They outscored the panthers 2-1 in the paint.

How many attempts for each team in the paint?