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  • #1

    Officiating

    I've noticed watching a lot of college basketball games the last few years that officials are really starting to call a lot of touchy fouls.

    It seems anytime there is a little contact inside it's a foul. What happened to being able to play some physical defense and being praised for it!

    Can you imagine if the old SIU teams in the 2002-2006 area were playing today. They would call a foul on every possession!

    I'm assuming this has been a point of emphasis by the NCAA and rules committee recently but really hoping they will "let them play" at some point.

    Just an observation and this isn't in response to last nights games or any other specific game for that matter.
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    they also don't call the obvious ones. AJ got hacked but we also hacked the crap out a few of their guys who hit the floor hard. They were consistent in calling (or NOT calling) it both ways.

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    • #3
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      Outside of the two ' shooting fouls' in the first half, the officiating was pretty good last night. Usually is when John Higgins is around.

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        Originally posted by jnutt View Post
        they also don't call the obvious ones. AJ got hacked but we also hacked the crap out a few of their guys who hit the floor hard. They were consistent in calling (or NOT calling) it both ways.
        I agree last nights officials were consistent, they called a foul almost anytime there was contact in the lane. Just don't like how these post players are getting rewarded for just throwing the ball at the hoop.

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        • #5
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          It also depends on refs tendencies. When I ref, i let small hand touching go, but hardly ever miss a "hard' foul or consistent "riding" or bumping fouls. I know my partner in games is different and doesn't call any hard fouls and will go ape over hand checking. Just depends. The officiating rule book says to do it one way, but unless you are a 20+ year veteran...no one really does it close to that way. I'm suprised i havent gotten a T yet coaching because I ref too and i ride the refs all game long for obvious calls they miss. drives me nuts. Can only imagine what parents and spectators think. But especially at the collegiate level...the refs really need to get it together. A lot of inconsistencies.

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          • #6
            Re: Officiating

            Originally posted by BCPanther View Post
            Outside of the two ' shooting fouls' in the first half, the officiating was pretty good last night. Usually is when John Higgins is around.
            I don't know. I've heard he is going through some things and is performance is really off...


            If computers ruled college basketball the way they do football, we'd have skipped all this March Madness monotony and just waited a month for the Kansas-Kentucky title game. And watched Northern Iowa play Cornell in the Poulan Weedeater Bowl. ~ Dwight Perry The Seattle Times

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            • #7
              Re: Officiating

              MVC fans should be the last group to complain about the refs calling too many fouls.

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              • #8
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                Originally posted by 9YRPLAN View Post
                MVC fans should be the last group to complain about the refs calling too many fouls.
                Not sure what you are getting at? The MVC ranks 15th in fouls per contest with 37.3 (#1 is Southland at 40.9). I know you love the Big Ten and they are 2nd to last at 34.1 in conference games. So the Big Ten is letting them play a little more, so I think the MVC does have something to say.

                ACC - 4th
                C-USA - 6th
                Big 12 - 11th
                A-10 - 12th
                Big 10 - 28th

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                • #9
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                  you obviously dont know that i love the big ten. not sure why would have any bearing on this topic anyway. i am saying that defenses in the valley are very physical and the refs allow way more contact than your average CBB game. its ruining the game in my opinion, although its foolish to simply blame the MVC. i just happen to watch more MVC games than any other league.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Officiating

                    Originally posted by Purrrrrfect View Post
                    It also depends on refs tendencies. When I ref, i let small hand touching go, but hardly ever miss a "hard' foul or consistent "riding" or bumping fouls. I know my partner in games is different and doesn't call any hard fouls and will go ape over hand checking. Just depends. The officiating rule book says to do it one way, but unless you are a 20+ year veteran...no one really does it close to that way. I'm suprised i havent gotten a T yet coaching because I ref too and i ride the refs all game long for obvious calls they miss. drives me nuts. Can only imagine what parents and spectators think. But especially at the collegiate level...the refs really need to get it together. A lot of inconsistencies.
                    thats interesting only because once i started reffing i quit yelling at the officials and most other refs i've talked to have said the same thing. i think you realize that from the stands you think you have angles that make things look like fouls when they are not or vice versa.

                    reffing is 90% judgement anyway and with the speed of the game, no one is going to get everything correct.


                    i havn't coached yet, so i'm not sure if i'd be a yeller or not, but i for one wouldn't take you yelling at me and would def T you up. and unless you are coaching varsity it wouldnt take much to do it

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                    • #11
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                      of course refs wont be 100% correct...but is it too much to ask to not be 100% wrong??

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                        Re: Officiating

                        Originally posted by Purrrrrfect View Post
                        It also depends on refs tendencies. When I ref, i let small hand touching go, but hardly ever miss a "hard' foul or consistent "riding" or bumping fouls. I know my partner in games is different and doesn't call any hard fouls and will go ape over hand checking. Just depends. The officiating rule book says to do it one way, but unless you are a 20+ year veteran...no one really does it close to that way. I'm suprised i havent gotten a T yet coaching because I ref too and i ride the refs all game long for obvious calls they miss. drives me nuts. Can only imagine what parents and spectators think. But especially at the collegiate level...the refs really need to get it together. A lot of inconsistencies.
                        As a referee of 17 years, I have a serious problem with any referee who openly admits to "riding" other officials. It's always fine to ask a specific question. But don't question their integrity during a game. If issues need to be addressed, bring them up to the local assignor or leader of the local officiating association.

                        I'm assuming you coach lower level games. Many of those officials are newer, trying to gain some experience. Dealing with a coach (who they may know is also an official) riding them all game can turn someone off to the avocation of officiating. We need all the officials we can get. I heard a stat that the average age of a high school basketball official in Iowa is in the upper 50's. As an official, would you ever get on a coach during a game over poor play calling or game management issues? Of course not.
                        Last edited by UNIpanther99; 01-20-2012, 11:38 AM.
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                        • #13
                          Re: Officiating

                          i totally agree with all your comments...that has just been my experience down here in the "no such thing as fouls land". That and there is no such thing as a carry anymore..but i think we all knew already.

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                          • #14
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                            I was just watching Purdue at MSU - a Purdue player obviously jammed home a ball on the rim with no goaltending call by the refs. MSU fans & Izzo went nuts of course, and the announcers were amazed. Personally I thought the overall quality of officiating fell way back when they first went to 3 refs, and has been plummeting since. I know it's a tough game to officiate, but geez.

                            I watched a HS girls game last week. Ballhandler was double-teamed and then bumped off balance, causing her to lose the ball. When she tried to get it back, she was knocked out of the way by the second defender. No call, of course. WTF?

                            Now I'll allow that you can still watch games and at the end realize that the officiating was decent, and that's not hugely unusual. But from my POV the obvious things that don't get called continue to amaze me. The charge/block thing will probably always be an issue; but it would be nice if the officiating community could some day come to some sort of consensus on what the criteria are. My understanding is that a driving or jumping player in the air has to be given space to come down, but it's often not called that way.
                            Last edited by in_the_stands; 01-21-2012, 12:13 PM. Reason: additions

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                            • #15
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                              Officiating does not get worse with 3 people out there as it is so much easier with an extra person on the court. With only 2 people you can get caught watching the same thing quite a bit of the time. Off the ball situations are almost impossible to call because you never clearly see them. I know I do a much better job officiating when there's 2 other people out there verses 1. If you think its is bad with 3 people I can imagine what it would be like with 2

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