Up Next: Southern Illinois

[Panther100]

Re: Up Next: Southern Illinois

We lose arguably our 3 best players this year after already losing 4 key players last year, I would temper your expectations for next year a bit.

Well, I know depth will be much improved. I'm encouraged by McDonnel, Haldeman, Dahl, Connrey, McCloud, and Brown. T. Lohaus is a R/S next season due to injury. I think the new guy to replace Austin should wait until 17-18 season. Our system will need to change. This year it was too much Washpun take guys off the dribble, Man to Man defense, inside out action to three pointers. A better system needs to be developed to suit personnel. I think good programs such as Duke have proven it can be done. Of course, they always have first pick of the five star guys.

[hoopfan]

Re: Up Next: Southern Illinois

We lose arguably our 3 best players this year after already losing 4 key players last year, I would temper your expectations for next year a bit.

The best player in the program is back again next year and hopefully is utilized more on the offensive end. It's a struggle to have to watch him come down and stand in the corner while Wes pounds the ball for 20 seconds at the top of the key. The problem is besides Jeremy there really isn't a proven commodity going in to next year.

Also, it's entertaining to listen to people gripe about SIU shooting so well against UNI when no one was complaining and tempering expectations after UNI had one night of hot shooting against ISU. Anthony Beane is arguably the best player in the conference and was going to get his points and make shots, that's what good players do. The other shots SIU hit weren't really contested all that well. I would've like to see Wyatt take more of Bo's minutes in the 2nd half. Wyatt was knocking down shots and solid defensively. It appeared that Bo was out of position several times during the game and the resulting scramble/rotations led to open 3's. If Bo isn't making shots, his impact on the game is very minimal.

The game wasn't nearly as close as the score indicated and that is more frustrating than anything.

[UNIChippewa]

Re: Up Next: Southern Illinois

Yes, I did. Teams lose players every year. Wichita lost Early a couple years ago & had a better team the next year. Tuttle was a huge loss, but we gained both Karson, Friedman & Bennett on the front line. I expected as the year went, we would work to minimize that loss. I never cared for Deon's game & was on record saying Washpun should have started over him last year. Jesperson also should have played more last year so was excited to see him get minutes from Buss/Singleton. So...yes...good coaches minimize personnel losses. The only major loss was Tuttle. The rest were role players that good teams replace. This team is not only a step behind last year, they have regressed. Way too much dependent on 3's. I get tired of that with this staff.

Well...there's a big difference between us and Wichita State when they hold onto an elite backcourt with Baker and Van Vleet even without Early and we're relying on three sophomores who played sparingly last season. Apples and oranges really. Wichita State was set up to absorb that kind of personnel loss more than we were, and if you can't grasp that it just shows to me that you don't have any credibility when it comes to basketball.

I'm as disappointed as the next Panther fan that we didn't win last night, but we are a whole whopping 2 games into the conference season and there's a lot of basketball left to be played. I'm not giving up on this team.

[Username]

Re: Up Next: Southern Illinois

I think the only way we are better next year is if we get a solid transfer point guard.

Obviously this has been an up and down season, and next year, even if they finish with a better record, this years team has more potential.

That being said, I like a few pieces, and Morgan could have a very special season. Hopefully another year for Koch gets him going, and Carlson is going to be very good. Mcdonnell, and Hadelman should be nice bench players, we just need a good, experienced Point guard who can run the offense, and I'm not sure a Mccloud/Hadelman year would lead to more success/better year.

[Username]

Re: Up Next: Southern Illinois

Well...there's a big difference between us and Wichita State when they hold onto an elite backcourt with Baker and Van Vleet even without Early and we're relying on three sophomores who played sparingly last season. Apples and oranges really. Wichita State was set up to absorb that kind of personnel loss more than we were, and if you can't grasp that it just shows to me that you don't have any credibility when it comes to basketball.

I'm as disappointed as the next Panther fan that we didn't win last night, but we are a whole whopping 2 games into the conference season and there's a lot of basketball left to be played. I'm not giving up on this team.

Last years team was deep AF, and had 3 starters coming off the bench. I'm not sure about being better, or even the same, but when you return 2 starters, with our 2 best players being off the bench, I think it warrants having a decent year, especially when they knocked off a legitimate North Carolina team.

The bigs haven't been good besides Carlson, and I think the Austin transfer hurts a lot more than people realize. Most of the games we lost, we weren't just having an off shooting night, it was an atrocity, and this has happened 6 times now.

[Mudrafan]

Re: Up Next: Southern Illinois

Well...there's a big difference between us and Wichita State when they hold onto an elite backcourt with Baker and Van Vleet even without Early and we're relying on three sophomores who played sparingly last season. Apples and oranges really. Wichita State was set up to absorb that kind of personnel loss more than we were, and if you can't grasp that it just shows to me that you don't have any credibility when it comes to basketball.

I'm as disappointed as the next Panther fan that we didn't win last night, but we are a whole whopping 2 games into the conference season and there's a lot of basketball left to be played. I'm not giving up on this team.

I'd suggest you quit poking insults at my credibility. I'm more than a little tired of it. Stick to the conversation. Personal insults are not allowed & you are crossing the line. If a coach is not responsible for replenishing his roster...who is? I get tired of this excuse.

[UNIChippewa]

Re: Up Next: Southern Illinois

I'd suggest you quit poking insults at my credibility. I'm more than a little tired of it. Stick to the conversation. Personal insults are not allowed & you are crossing the line. If a coach is not responsible for replenishing his roster...who is? I get tired of this excuse.

How funny...this coming from the same guy who flies into a blind rage every time an Iowa State fan comes on and screams "Clowns, clowns, clowns" at them until he's blue in the face.

You're certainly allowed to have your opinion and share it on here, and I'm certainly just as allowed to call it into question when you insist that this year's team should be better than a team that won 31 games. That's not a personal attack. Poking fun at the "mean, hate-filled, angry" old man you've carefully cultivated on here might be a "personal attack", but those are self-inflicted wounds on your part.

[Panther100]

Re: Up Next: Southern Illinois

I think coach Jake is capable of developing a new system that would work better for this team. I think he feels that the system developed in the off season/training camp along with necessary adjustments will work long term. He appears to refuse to admit the developed system is wrong and to go in a new direction. This leads to similar games moving forward and too many losses for an NIT at large bid heading to St. Louis. Team's have seen enough to know how to defend us. Either they guard the three point line and give up Washpun layups or they pack it in and bet we miss our three point attempts. Either way it lead to six losses less than half way into the season.

[GonzoCat]

Re: Up Next: Southern Illinois

Personally Chippy I find you to be more mean, hate-filled, angry, and probably an old man, than Mudra is. Calling you a clown might be a personal attack, but that is a self-inflicted wound on your part.

[Panther100]

Re: Up Next: Southern Illinois

No, I call it the way I see it. I've played enough hoops to see this season is over. It's not my problem you're too thin skinned to handle the truth. Keep it up with your rah rah routine. This old man enjoys the laughs.

[95UNIGRAD]

Re: Up Next: Southern Illinois

Damn, people get grouchy around here when we're not winning every game. It's OK, people.

[Panther100]

Re: Up Next: Southern Illinois

This is America. There are plenty that feel we will make the Dance/NIT. I see too many flaws this season.

[Zakelsta]

Re: Up Next: Southern Illinois

No, I call it the way I see it. I've played enough hoops to see this season is over. It's not my problem you're too thin skinned to handle the truth. Keep it up with your rah rah routine. This old man enjoys the laughs.

"The season is over"??? Really? We're barely out of December, and the season is over? Come on man, even you know that isn't true.

The is a grand canyon of a gap between the bottom 6 of the Valley and the top 4. Losses on the road to those 3 other top teams isn't going to kill us. However, we basically do need to sweep the 12 games against the bottom 6. So does UE, WSU, SIU. Seperating the top from the bottom is something the Valley has struggled with over the last few years (minus last year). If that happens, and we go 15-3, we'll at least be in the conversation, and worse case we'll be hosting multiple NIT games.

[Panther100]

Re: Up Next: Southern Illinois

"The season is over"??? Really? We're barely out of December, and the season is over? Come on man, even you know that isn't true.

The is a grand canyon of a gap between the bottom 6 of the Valley and the top 4. Losses on the road to those 3 other top teams isn't going to kill us. However, we basically do need to sweep the 12 games against the bottom 6. So does UE, WSU, SIU. Seperating the top from the bottom is something the Valley has struggled with over the last few years (minus last year). If that happens, and we go 15-3, we'll at least be in the conversation, and worse case we'll be hosting multiple NIT games.

Defeating the bottom 6 won't move the needle at all. All of those teams will hover around 140+ RPI. Getting swept by WSU, Evansville, SIU, and a Semi Final loss At Scottrade equals 21-12. With only around 26 at large berths, that would appear to be short of the NIT. That is all without mentioning our weaknesses.

[dan_beeding]

Re: Up Next: Southern Illinois

I think coach Jake is capable of developing a new system that would work better for this team. I think he feels that the system developed in the off season/training camp along with necessary adjustments will work long term. He appears to refuse to admit the developed system is wrong and to go in a new direction.

How long have you been following Panther basketball, out of curiosity?