Up Next: Southern Illinois

[06panther10]

I will be surprised siu shoots 59% from the 3 the rest of the season....

They shot that high because our team played soft defensively. Their shooting % was not a fluke.

[UNIChippewa]

Re: Up Next: Southern Illinois

I have a hell of a lot of credibility around people in the real world that matter (not on message boards). As great as Tuttle was, he did not play like a "5". Adam Koch certainly did not. Eglseder was a pure "5" but had very limited minutes. So did Coleman. Neither of those two played enough or were developed like they should have been. Grant Stout was another forward...not a center. They seek & develop "Euro" type bigs, but not traditional 5's. We are always way too guard oriented/perimeter oriented & have the most selfish pt guards I've ever seen. From Kwadzo to Deon & now Washpun. Their style drives me nuts. The opposition has learned to let them drive & collapse off of guys that can't shoot like Koch, to an extent Karlson & cover up our guards & Jesperson so the kick out 3 is not there. Washpun & Mitchell just flip the ball up or get fouled & miss free throws. We do not run much of an offense. Just a lot of free lancing by the pt guard. Jacobsen has been great & has taken us to new heights, but he is showing his lack of adjustment this year. This team did not lose key pieces outside of Tuttle & we should be even better than last year.

That lack of credibility I mentioned earlier? Yeah...you pretty much put another couple of nails in your own coffin with that gem.

You honestly expected the team to be better after losing a 2nd-team All-American and MVC Player of the Year, not to mention key pieces (and they were key pieces, whether you like it or agree or not), like Deon, Nate, and Marvin? Wow...just wow.

[jegbomb52]

Re: Up Next: Southern Illinois

Wait? We seriously lost to SIU? This is pretty comical.

You guys are all over us that get upset when the team loses. People have different personalities, some of us see the glass half full, some half empty. Doesn't make anyone right, wrong, better, or worse.

To shed some light on my "glass half empty," "sky is falling," personality, I am mad as hell we lost this game. I EXPECT us to walk all over teams like Colorado State, Southern Illinois, Hawaii, when we don't I want to point fingers. A lot of you want to point fingers at reasons as to why its "ok" to lose. I don't do that. I look at reasons why we should have won. We beat ISU, we beat NC, we doubled up Bradley and ran them off the court. Once I see it, I expect it. When we don't produce it, I want to know why. Here is the beauty of it, I come here to discuss it and get others vantage points. Its almost like this is a forum to talk about Panther sports. Remember, this place would be boring if one person posted and everyone else responded, "i agree."

[ronfitch]

Re: Up Next: Southern Illinois

Wait? We seriously lost to SIU? This is pretty comical.

You guys are all over us that get upset when the team loses. People have different personalities, some of us see the glass half full, some half empty. Doesn't make anyone right, wrong, better, or worse.

To shed some light on my "glass half empty," "sky is falling," personality, I am mad as hell we lost this game. I EXPECT us to walk all over teams like Colorado State, Southern Illinois, Hawaii, when we don't I want to point fingers. A lot of you want to point fingers at reasons as to why its "ok" to lose. I don't do that. I look at reasons why we should have won. We beat ISU, we beat NC, we doubled up Bradley and ran them off the court. Once I see it, I expect it. When we don't produce it, I want to know why. Here is the beauty of it, I come here to discuss it and get others vantage points. Its almost like this is a forum to talk about Panther sports. Remember, this place would be boring if one person posted and everyone else responded, "i agree."

I agree!

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[Khan4Cats]

Re: Up Next: Southern Illinois

Yeah, I'm furious we didn't beat a 12-2 team at their place when they shot 60% from 3. Absolutely outraged ready to burn down campus level. And Hawaii??? Another one loss team when we played them at their place. Should have been a cakewalk.

I've got an idea. Let's take our ball and go home. Only play teams that will come to the McLeod!

Gee, maybe we ought to take a step back to reality. We have a thin bench because a player left the team mid-year. We have point guard who is still clearly not at 100% after a pretty vicious foul a few games ago. Still, we are battling and took a team playing with a whole lot of confidence and shooting lights out with a player that caught fire right down to the wire. This won't be a bad loss if SIU keeps playing as they have all year.

Now the next four games are certainly games that we SHOULD win. There is still a LOT of season left and we are better off than a what a many posters apparently want to think or who's personal agendas want to allow for.

[GonzoCat]

Re: Up Next: Southern Illinois

So we are 9-6 with what many keep calling 6 "not bad" losses. Perhaps each one individually is not bad, I would argue CoSt is a bad loss, but 6 collectively equal about 3 bad losses when it comes to mid major teams hoping to make the post season.

We don't have the luxury of losing a bunch of games to teams we should be better than, even if they are not terrible teams. They are also not good teams.

The fact is we can't lose more than two more games (@WSU?, @Eville?) if we hope to gain meaningful postseason play. I'll save you the suspense, we aren't going to make it. This team goes no better than 12-6 in MVC play, 20-11 overall. As usual they live and die by the 3 pointer, and we don't have anybody that can hit the broad side of a barn on the road.

They'll always be remembered fondly as the team that beat two top 5 teams, a great accomplishment, but in college bb March is where it's at. In March we'll have to watch recordings of those two games and wonder what happened. IIRC the NC game wasn't on any kind of tv, so we won't even have that one to watch. Maybe the AD could put out a video of that game, it's the second biggest win in UNI history.

[BCPanther]

Re: Up Next: Southern Illinois

Yep. Last night really changed my outlook on this team.

The thing I was most disappointed in was the fact that after the three ball wasn't falling there was a period when the defensive intensity really dropped off. You can overcome a bad shooting night by cranking it up on the defensive end, but we didn't do that. We are letting bad offense affect everything else.

I think in the end we go 12-6, maybe 13-5, and end up in the NIT. A home NIT game would be kind of a neat deal.

[06panther10]

I dont want to hear about SIU shooting the lights out as an excuse. They were shooting the lights out because they were comfortable on offense all night because the defensive intensity and pressure was not put on them from our team.

We are getting out rebounded night in and night out, the D is not putting the clamps on opposing offenses, and we are simply trying to out-score teams. Its like a carbon copy of the season 2 years ago. It doesn't work.

Still time to figure it out and go on a nice winning streak, but theres a significant sample size now of trending the wrong direction, and an inability to beat decent teams on the road.

[Panther100]

Re: Up Next: Southern Illinois

Last night's game convinced me our players/coaches are giving their best. However, we lack the coaching and player depth to keep the losses under 12. This means we either raise the trophy in St. Louis or the season will come to an abrupt end. It sure doesn't help that officials either haven't learned the new rules or refuse to implement them. Even with the poor officiating aside, we just don't have enough resources this season. I've made it clear that the entry fee tournaments aren't worth the trouble. I'm proud of the program keeping up the fight the rest of the season.

[Mudrafan]

Re: Up Next: Southern Illinois

That lack of credibility I mentioned earlier? Yeah...you pretty much put another couple of nails in your own coffin with that gem.

You honestly expected the team to be better after losing a 2nd-team All-American and MVC Player of the Year, not to mention key pieces (and they were key pieces, whether you like it or agree or not), like Deon, Nate, and Marvin? Wow...just wow.

Yes, I did. Teams lose players every year. Wichita lost Early a couple years ago & had a better team the next year. Tuttle was a huge loss, but we gained both Karson, Friedman & Bennett on the front line. I expected as the year went, we would work to minimize that loss. I never cared for Deon's game & was on record saying Washpun should have started over him last year. Jesperson also should have played more last year so was excited to see him get minutes from Buss/Singleton. So...yes...good coaches minimize personnel losses. The only major loss was Tuttle. The rest were role players that good teams replace. This team is not only a step behind last year, they have regressed. Way too much dependent on 3's. I get tired of that with this staff.

[Panther100]

Re: Up Next: Southern Illinois

The massive amount of threes are partly good shooting and not enough of on inside game. The coaching staff and players are doing the best with what they have. It still is not enough and everyone has taken turns making mistakes. Next year the depth is better. However, far less experience. I look for better things because of the new Freshman/ Redshirts.

[Panther Fan]

Re: Up Next: Southern Illinois

Maybe I need to go back and watch the game but I didn't think out defense was as bad as some here seem to think. Was it great, probably not, but it seemed like a lot of Beane's shot were well contested. Guy just had a great night. And don't forget #1 makes two 3's from 25ft as shot clock expired. It comes down to the fact we didn't shoot the ball well. Notably Bo going 1-7 from 3.

And Mudrafan can say Tuttle wasn't a true 5 but when he got the ball in the post he had moves that were difficult to stop. If you think we should try and design a system and build a program based on consistently getting 6'10" guys with high skills you should probably adjust expectations or start rooting for Kansas or Duke because those guys aren't easy to find.

And I'm not one that doesn't think people can be critical. I don't know why Koch and Lohaus only got 4 and 6 minutes in second half. Going back to the Mac days it seems we sub more to match-up with opponent than just play our guys. Maybe Koch didn't match-up defensively but he had 6 points and 4 rebounds in time he played. Wyatt goes without saying what he did.

[Panther100]

Re: Up Next: Southern Illinois

Maybe I need to go back and watch the game but I didn't think out defense was as bad as some here seem to think. Was it great, probably not, but it seemed like a lot of Beane's shot were well contested. Guy just had a great night. And don't forget #1 makes two 3's from 25ft as shot clock expired. It comes down to the fact we didn't shoot the ball well. Notably Bo going 1-7 from 3.

And Mudrafan can say Tuttle wasn't a true 5 but when he got the ball in the post he had moves that were difficult to stop. If you think we should try and design a system and build a program based on consistently getting 6'10" guys with high skills you should probably adjust expectations or start rooting for Kansas or Duke because those guys aren't easy to find.

And I'm not one that doesn't think people can be critical. I don't know why Koch and Lohaus only got 4 and 6 minutes in second half. Going back to the Mac days it seems we sub more to match-up with opponent than just play our guys. Maybe Koch didn't match-up defensively but he had 6 points and 4 rebounds in time he played. Wyatt goes without saying what he did.

I tend to agree. It's too late this season for the at large bid. Yes, both players and coaches have not matched up or run a system that will work long term. I think we have to wait until next year to have desired results. Our guys are gassed at the end of games. It's hard to hit threes and stop the opponent in the usual man to man defense. Perhaps more 2/3 or box in one zone would help keep players out of foul trouble. When Morgan has fouled out we lose our best all around player.

[dan_beeding]

Re: Up Next: Southern Illinois

Run the table in the regular season. Win 2 in Stl. Beat a 5 seed first round. That's the ideal outcome for the rest of this year.

[DownGoesKansas]

Re: Up Next: Southern Illinois

I tend to agree. It's too late this season for the at large bid. Yes, both players and coaches have not matched up or run a system that will work long term. I think we have to wait until next year to have desired results. Our guys are gassed at the end of games. It's hard to hit threes and stop the opponent in the usual man to man defense. Perhaps more 2/3 or box in one zone would help keep players out of foul trouble. When Morgan has fouled out we lose our best all around player.

We lose arguably our 3 best players this year after already losing 4 key players last year, I would temper your expectations for next year a bit.