Where will we wind up? Stats say CBI/CIT

[BCPanther]

Re: Where will we wind up? Stats say CBI/CIT

Since Panther100 thinks playing Creighton, or someone like that, would have a massive impact on our SOS and RPI here are some values of teams we played this year and how much they actually help our RPI...

North Carolina 1.24 points with a point weight of just 1.79
Stephen F Austin - 1.11 points with a point weight of just 1.79
BYU - .74 points with a point weight of just 1.82
Iowa State - .73 points with a point weight of just 1.79
New Mexico - .67 points - with a point weight of just 1.95

That means a team like Creighton would have an impact of about a half point, maybe three quarters of a point. That means our RPI would be 108 instead of 109 right now.

On the flip side...
Bradley - -3.16 points with a point weight of 4.49 (the highest of any opponent)
Drake - -2.6 points with a point weight of 4.34
Missouri State - - 1.22 points with a point weight of 4.34
Washington State - -1.15 points with a point weight of 1.82 (higher weight than ANY of our OOC wins)
George Mason - -.56 points with a point weight of 1.82 (higher weight than ANY of our OOC wins)
Loyola - -.52 points with a point weight of 4.37
North Texas - -.48 points with a point weight of 1.91 (higher weight than ANY of our OOC wins)
Indiana State - -.41 points with a point weight of 2.69 (lowest of any conference school actually)


Turns out that our SOS and RPI suck because of Drake, Bradley, Loyola, Missouri State and Indiana State - also known as the bottom half of our own freaking conference, which we have no choice but to play. That also includes a P12 team dragging our RPI down. It includes an A10 team dragging our RPI down.

Do you ever actually use logic/facts when you decide to talk out of your ass, or do you just throw **** against the wall?

Get your facts out of here.

[Born-a-Panther]

Re: Where will we wind up? Stats say CBI/CIT

I believe Jake will accept an invitation to play. These seniors have meant too much.

[95UNIGRAD]

Re: Where will we wind up? Stats say CBI/CIT

I believe Jake will accept an invitation to play. These seniors have meant too much.

Agreed. I think Chip Rank was the only senior of note when we skipped those tourneys.

[UNIAlum2010]

Re: Where will we wind up? Stats say CBI/CIT

You can just use RPI wizard and we can have a really good idea of our RPI with and without Dubuque on the schedule and end this stupid argument that Dubuque cost us a NIT bid.


With Dubuque RPI 106 SOS 123
Replace Dubuque with Milwaukee win at home - RPI 100 SOS 122
Replace with a St. Mary's win at home - RPI 96 SOS 113
Replace with a win against #1 RPI Kansas at home - RPI 95 SOS 108

This should show that replacing that Dubuque game with literally anyone would only moderately improve our RPI/SOS and this example is assuming we got KU on our home floor and beat them this year.

http://www.rpiforecast.com/wizard/Northern%20Iowa.html

[DownGoesKansas]

Re: Where will we wind up? Stats say CBI/CIT

You can just use RPI wizard and we can have a really good idea of our RPI with and without Dubuque on the schedule and end this stupid argument that Dubuque cost us a NIT bid.


With Dubuque RPI 106 SOS 123
Replace Dubuque with Milwaukee win at home - RPI 100 SOS 122
Replace with a St. Mary's win at home - RPI 96 SOS 113
Replace with a win against #1 RPI Kansas at home - RPI 95 SOS 108

This should show that replacing that Dubuque game with literally anyone would only moderately improve our RPI/SOS and this example is assuming we got KU on our home floor and beat them this year.

http://www.rpiforecast.com/wizard/Northern%20Iowa.html

Kaboom.

[EVSPanther]

Re: Where will we wind up? Stats say CBI/CIT

Quick question and maybe it's been mentioned on here already but what is the rule behind postseason play for redshirts? I would assume they still can't play, but I didn't know if some of the no-name tournaments allow this sort of thing...probably still trumped by the NCAA, right?

[DownGoesKansas]

Re: Where will we wind up? Stats say CBI/CIT

Quick question and maybe it's been mentioned on here already but what is the rule behind postseason play for redshirts? I would assume they still can't play, but I didn't know if some of the no-name tournaments allow this sort of thing...probably still trumped by the NCAA, right?

They could play. (it just wouldn't be a redshirt year anymore) Exhibition games are the only ones that are exempt.

[claw]

Re: Where will we wind up? Stats say CBI/CIT

What's also amazing is what the RPI would be if we didn't lose to Loyola twice, using the exact same schedule. Anyone want to guess?






75. Yep. It would be 75 right now with an SOS of 117.



If we turn that horrible MSU loss into a win the RPI is 71 with an SOS of 115. That's ALL with leaving the 14 point loss to Indiana State in the first game. But yes, 100, keep telling us how much it's UDubuque costing the team an NIT bid.

[DownGoesKansas]

Re: Where will we wind up? Stats say CBI/CIT

What's also amazing is what the RPI would be if we didn't lose to Loyola twice, using the exact same schedule. Anyone want to guess?






75. Yep. It would be 73 right now with an SOS of 117.



If we turn that horrible MSU loss into a win the RPI is 71 with an SOS of 115. That's ALL with leaving the 14 point loss to Indiana State in the first game. But yes, 100, keep telling us how much it's UDubuque costing the team an NIT bid.

Yep. If we change our 4 losses to teams 6-8 to wins, we have one of the most interesting bubble cases but....

[Panther100]

Re: Where will we wind up? Stats say CBI/CIT

You can just use RPI wizard and we can have a really good idea of our RPI with and without Dubuque on the schedule and end this stupid argument that Dubuque cost us a NIT bid.


With Dubuque RPI 106 SOS 123
Replace Dubuque with Milwaukee win at home - RPI 100 SOS 122
Replace with a St. Mary's win at home - RPI 96 SOS 113
Replace with a win against #1 RPI Kansas at home - RPI 95 SOS 108

This should show that replacing that Dubuque game with literally anyone would only moderately improve our RPI/SOS and this example is assuming we got KU on our home floor and beat them this year.

http://www.rpiforecast.com/wizard/Northern%20Iowa.html

Oh, I can't wait for Dordt College on December 17th and Grace College of Nebraska on December 21! Our Freshman just can't stand the suspense!!!!!!!!! We need to pack in that 2-3/1-3-1 zone against their bigs for the whole game!!!

[Panther100]

Re: Where will we wind up? Stats say CBI/CIT

Since Panther100 thinks playing Creighton, or someone like that, would have a massive impact on our SOS and RPI here are some values of teams we played this year and how much they actually help our RPI...

North Carolina 1.24 points with a point weight of just 1.79
Stephen F Austin - 1.11 points with a point weight of just 1.79
BYU - .74 points with a point weight of just 1.82
Iowa State - .73 points with a point weight of just 1.79
New Mexico - .67 points - with a point weight of just 1.95

That means a team like Creighton would have an impact of about a half point, maybe three quarters of a point. That means our RPI would be 108 instead of 109 right now.

On the flip side...
Bradley - -3.16 points with a point weight of 4.49 (the highest of any opponent)
Drake - -2.6 points with a point weight of 4.34
Missouri State - - 1.22 points with a point weight of 4.34
Washington State - -1.15 points with a point weight of 1.82 (higher weight than ANY of our OOC wins)
George Mason - -.56 points with a point weight of 1.82 (higher weight than ANY of our OOC wins)
Loyola - -.52 points with a point weight of 4.37
North Texas - -.48 points with a point weight of 1.91 (higher weight than ANY of our OOC wins)
Indiana State - -.41 points with a point weight of 2.69 (lowest of any conference school actually)


Turns out that our SOS and RPI suck because of Drake, Bradley, Loyola, Missouri State and Indiana State - also known as the bottom half of our own freaking conference, which we have no choice but to play. That also includes a P12 team dragging our RPI down. It includes an A10 team dragging our RPI down.

Do you ever actually use logic/facts when you decide to talk out of your ass, or do you just throw **** against the wall?

Wow! How many Excel spreadsheets did you have to burn thru? Oh, the Briar Cliff game on December 19th looks tough! Maybe you should break down their mascot in the post vs TC!!!!!

[BCPanther]

Re: Where will we wind up? Stats say CBI/CIT

Back to the actual topic....

IF IF IF we were to beat Evansville, SIU, and Wichita, and then lose to Evansville on Sunday, we end up with an RPI of 74. At that point, I think we're an NIT team.

[Panther100]

Re: Where will we wind up? Stats say CBI/CIT

Would this be another year where Jake declines any tournament that isn't the NCAA or NIT?

Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Panther100]

Re: Where will we wind up? Stats say CBI/CIT

Back to the actual topic....

IF IF IF we were to beat Evansville, SIU, and Wichita, and then lose to Evansville on Sunday, we end up with an RPI of 74. At that point, I think we're an NIT team.

Well of course, then we have 20 Division I wins!!!!!!!

[BCPanther]

Re: Where will we wind up? Stats say CBI/CIT

Well of course, then we have 20 Division I wins!!!!!!!

Which doesn't ****ing matter!! SIU and Evansville both have 20 DI wins and SIU isn't getting into the NIT and Evansville is in the same spot we are.