UNI vs Drake

[MNpanthers]

Just pathetic ever since we pulled within 7

[achrist70]

No the refs didn't cost us the game, but they were inconsistent, and the idea of freedom of movement is non existent, overall a very poor crew.

[MNpanthers]

I don't think so. If you have ever read the Ghetto Dwellers board you would find that it's entirely a one way street.

I've found that board to be pretty hideous. The worst of the worst Drake fans find a good home there, but it does not represent their actual fanbase

[PurpleCatFan]

Wow how things are changing in Iowa. The last two games against Drake has been the biggest margin of victory for the Bulldogs.

[UNI Ka-Bullseye]

Yeah, I agree with everything said, the refs clearly did not cost us this game. In the moment it was frustrating because after calling nothing for the first 12 minutes, when they finally started being visible and making calls is when things started falling apart for us for other reasons. When we limited the turnovers, we couldn’t buy a 3. When a couple 3s finally fall, here come the turnovers. And we couldn’t stop Yesufu’s drives and Drake’s midrange game was dead on.

On a positive note, I’m really liking Henry’s game. Unfortunately, he can generally only be on the floor if we take out our All-MVCer. Also, I think Born could just pull up for some 3s in transition and see what happens.

[1994grad]

While I wish UNI would have won, it was obvious that Drake was the better team tonight. Drake shot the ball well and played very hard defense. While UNI lost, they are improving. I liked that Born is getting more aggressive each game. Somehow we have to get Carter more shots. We only had 10 turn over this game, but didn't shoot well from three. While I hardly ever complain about refs, it was a bit one sided. I am super excited to see how well Heise played and Henry did well too. We need to hit our shots and keep improving.

[BrockLesnar]

Limited the turnovers to 10, tonight, but got out rebounded by 16 and shot poorly from 3. We also took too many three pointers. I'd say now that there has been enough time to judge we'll be seeded about 8th in St. Louis. I'm usually a glass half full guy, but we don't have enough time to correct our many weaknesses. The difficult areas are turnovers, lack of rebounds, not closing out on the 3 point line, poor 3 point shooting, poor foul shooting, and interior defensive rotations. I'm not saying throw in the towel. I think we can get maybe 3 more wins, but we've got work to do over the summer. I don't finger point. The players, coaches, and staff gave it their all this season. A good recruiting class coming in next season means better days ahead! Go Panthers!

[dred pirate]

Next up we have the Ghetto Dwellers from Des Moines. I know it won’t happen, but it would be nice to put a massive dent in their season considering the utter disrespect and contempt their program and fans have shown towards us over the years.

wow - only mildly racist there
PS average income for grads at 10 years 68k vs 47k, if Drake is the ghetto - what is UNI?

[A Fan In Lean Years]

wow - only mildly racist there

I agree with you. Amazing how that kind of talk has become normalized over the past few years.

[Panther Fan]

wow - only mildly racist there
PS average income for grads at 10 years 68k vs 47k, if Drake is the ghetto - what is UNI?

While Ghetto Dwellers probably isn't accurate, note the annual cost of attendance at Drake $59K vs UNI $22K. Average after aid Drake $29K vs UNI $17K. UNI is also always going to have lower earnings given the % of students looking to be teachers. And how many Drake students go on to spend even more (student loans) to get another degree. Especially spending $40K a year to go to their mid-tier law school (105 of 198 per US News). It's more that Drake "people" have an inflated view of their place in the world given they think they're attending the Ivy League school of the Midwest when the truth is you get outside Iowa, and notably Des Moines, and a Drake degree doesn't hold that much cachet.

You can never judge an entire fan base off of a small number but last year on Saturday in STL there were a few Drake fans, probably their mid-20's, sitting in the front row of the UNI section. Right behind the hockey boards with no one in front of them. They stood the entire game and after made baskets would turn and be obnoxious towards the UNI fans who stuck around to watch basketball. We all know the type, while they're rooting for their team, there's also a "look at me" aspect of them. It got to the point where they were having words with some UNI fans who were probably in their 60's. I wouldn't say security had to get involved, but security did come down and stood in the aisle to ensure it didn't go any further. Thank God Drake lost. For those that read Bill Simmons mailbags he'd end "yep those are my readers". I'd say "yep those are Drake fans".

[Newsbreaker]

While Ghetto Dwellers probably isn't accurate, note the annual cost of attendance at Drake $59K vs UNI $22K. Average after aid Drake $29K vs UNI $17K. UNI is also always going to have lower earnings given the % of students looking to be teachers. And how many Drake students go on to spend even more (student loans) to get another degree. Especially spending $40K a year to go to their mid-tier law school (105 of 198 per US News). It's more that Drake "people" have an inflated view of their place in the world given they think they're attending the Ivy League school of the Midwest when the truth is you get outside Iowa, and notably Des Moines, and a Drake degree doesn't hold that much cachet.

You can never judge an entire fan base off of a small number but last year on Saturday in STL there were a few Drake fans, probably their mid-20's, sitting in the front row of the UNI section. Right behind the hockey boards with no one in front of them. They stood the entire game and after made baskets would turn and be obnoxious towards the UNI fans who stuck around to watch basketball. We all know the type, while they're rooting for their team, there's also a "look at me" aspect of them. It got to the point where they were having words with some UNI fans who were probably in their 60's. I wouldn't say security had to get involved, but security did come down and stood in the aisle to ensure it didn't go any further. Thank God Drake lost. For those that read Bill Simmons mailbags he'd end "yep those are my readers". I'd say "yep those are Drake fans".

As someone who attended both schools, maybe I have a little perspective.

UNI and Drake are similar enough schools, in terms of quality. Drake is somewhat better, from an academic profile, but they draw from a more affluent base of potential students, so that's a little self-perpetuating. Both are producing graduates who primarily stay in the midwest, though Drake probably produces a higher proportion who go on to get professional degrees. As someone with such a degree, I wouldn't change my UNI --> Drake path, and I think that was the best value proposition (though I went to Drake quite cheaply).

I have not encountered the Drake caricature of "Ivy League of the Midwest." Grinnell? Yes. Drake? Not so much. Does Drake hold much cache? I don't know. My Drake degree earns me about 8x's (that is not an exaggeration) what my UNI degree did, on an annual basis. That's enough cache for me (though I'm not exactly the typical local Drake grad, and law school rankings are a whole other topic).

The two schools just aren't that comparable. Drake has the massive advantage of producing pharmacists, lawyers, and other higher-earning graduates. What holds them back is that they do an absolutely AWFUL job building school loyalty in their students. I know a LOT of Drake grads, and maybe two who give a single **** about the school on an ongoing basis. Most are openly hostile.

UNI produces accountants, teachers, general business people, and others who are comparatively lower-earning. That's a big disadvantage, from a fundraising perspective. Our grads typically just don't have the disposable income to support the school in the same way, however we do a MUCH better job building loyalty in our graduates. I do not donate to Drake. I sent a donation to UNI (through my employer, for whatever little that is worth) yesterday. UNI's failures in Des Moines are well-documented.

The "ghetto" stuff is ignorant. The Drake campus sits as the buffer between a majority-minority neighborhood and the more affluent, middle- and upper-middle-class / Roosevelt adjacent neighborhoods. It gets lumped in with the former, which is silly and shows a lack of any actual knowledge of the area. The portion of University nearest the campus is thriving, and I spent plenty of time on that campus and the adjoining neighborhood at night. Never once did I feel unsafe. The household income statistics for that neighborhood are very similar to the better parts of Waterloo, for instance. I don't know if "ghetto" is racist, but it's certainly stupid.

[PantherAlum09]

I think last night's game showed the importance of age and experience in this league. There is a big difference between the physicality of a 22-23 year old and an 18-19 year old. Especially in this conference. That showed in rebounds and the ability to stop runs. There is definite growth for UNI as the year goes on, but they are at least a year away right now.

Devries's ability to get athletic transfers to come in is leading to immediate success. We just don't have guys that match up physically with Hemphill, Murphy, Yesufu, etc. yet (I know Hemphill didn't have a great game before he got hurt). The speed and power of some of those guys is a game changer in a league that was typically full of basketball players who were decent athletes. Hemphill and Yesufu especially are great athletes who are good ball players as well. I will be interested to see the long term success of this plan for Drake. It helps that Tucker is coming in next year, and their success could lead to some higher level high school recruits, but I assume they will continue to be very active in the transfer market as it has proven quite successful.

I personally think it would be great if Loyola and Drake could both make the tourney this year. Their experience could make them very formidable, especially this year. Ultimately I would like to see the MVC continue to ascend and this is as good a year as any for that.

[A Fan In Lean Years]

The modern definition of the word "racist" is so broad that the term is basically meaningless.

Really? I have 26 years of professionally dealing with that precise definition. Please inform us as to how the word USED to be defined, vis a vis how we define it today.

This should be fun to watch...

[A Fan In Lean Years]

I don't know if "ghetto" is racist, but it's certainly stupid.

It has a specific implication and the word is not used incidentally.

[achrist70]

As someone who attended both schools, maybe I have a little perspective.

UNI and Drake are similar enough schools, in terms of quality. Drake is somewhat better, from an academic profile, but they draw from a more affluent base of potential students, so that's a little self-perpetuating. Both are producing graduates who primarily stay in the midwest, though Drake probably produces a higher proportion who go on to get professional degrees. As someone with such a degree, I wouldn't change my UNI --> Drake path, and I think that was the best value proposition (though I went to Drake quite cheaply).

I have not encountered the Drake caricature of "Ivy League of the Midwest." Grinnell? Yes. Drake? Not so much. Does Drake hold much cache? I don't know. My Drake degree earns me about 8x's (that is not an exaggeration) what my UNI degree did, on an annual basis. That's enough cache for me (though I'm not exactly the typical local Drake grad, and law school rankings are a whole other topic).

The two schools just aren't that comparable. Drake has the massive advantage of producing pharmacists, lawyers, and other higher-earning graduates. What holds them back is that they do an absolutely AWFUL job building school loyalty in their students. I know a LOT of Drake grads, and maybe two who give a single **** about the school on an ongoing basis. Most are openly hostile.

UNI produces accountants, teachers, general business people, and others who are comparatively lower-earning. That's a big disadvantage, from a fundraising perspective. Our grads typically just don't have the disposable income to support the school in the same way, however we do a MUCH better job building loyalty in our graduates. I do not donate to Drake. I sent a donation to UNI (through my employer, for whatever little that is worth) yesterday. UNI's failures in Des Moines are well-documented.

The "ghetto" stuff is ignorant. The Drake campus sits as the buffer between a majority-minority neighborhood and the more affluent, middle- and upper-middle-class / Roosevelt adjacent neighborhoods. It gets lumped in with the former, which is silly and shows a lack of any actual knowledge of the area. The portion of University nearest the campus is thriving, and I spent plenty of time on that campus and the adjoining neighborhood at night. Never once did I feel unsafe. The household income statistics for that neighborhood are very similar to the better parts of Waterloo, for instance. I don't know if "ghetto" is racist, but it's certainly stupid.

I think that this is spot on, I will say that Drake is probably my least favorite school in the Valley, maybe behind Loyola (I hope UNI & Loyola turns into a rivalry), I would say that this has been consistent though they have always been in my top 3 in the past behind Wichita and Creighton. I think it is because their fans are a little but delusional about what Drake is. The other thing I would say and I think it adds to your post is that kids from Iowa don't grow up wanting to go to Drake, yes most see themselves as Hawkeyes or Cyclones, but I do think that some see themselves as Panthers or that they see themselves at attending UNI and hopefully finding a connection to UNI that brings them back.