Nostalgic Mood

[BCPanther]

..........

That's why it's hard for me to get to 'Mac loves UNI'...

[clenz]

Well..to be fair he later understood he had done wrong, and when the full force of his guilt hit him "he was seized with remorse and returned the thirty silver coins" to those who had paid him. Although he admitted he had "sinned" he was overcome with regret he went out and killed himself.

That isn't going to happen, obviously, and anyone who thinks it should needs to not exist anymore.

However, maybe he's hit a point in his life where he has finally made enough dozen millions that he "understands" how harmful everything he did after that NCAA tournament loss was and wants to "make things right" by playing a good PR game.

[UNIpanther99]

Well..to be fair he later understood he had done wrong, and when the full force of his guilt hit him "he was seized with remorse and returned the thirty silver coins" to those who had paid him. Although he admitted he had "sinned" he was overcome with regret he went out and killed himself.

That isn't going to happen, obviously, and anyone who thinks it should needs to not exist anymore.

However, maybe he's hit a point in his life where he has finally made enough dozen millions that he "understands" how harmful everything he did after that NCAA tournament loss was and wants to "make things right" by playing a good PR game.

Or...

He cares about family, friends, and his alma mater very much - but in that particular order.

What happened with Doug sucks, but it's been long enough. We have an outstanding college coach who is an alum, and we should welcome any and all participation he wants to have with the program.

[clenz]

Or...

He cares about family, friends, and his alma mater very much - but in that particular order.

What happened with Doug sucks, but it's been long enough. We have an outstanding college coach who is an alum, and we should welcome any and all participation he wants to have with the program.

It's not "just Doug", but the friend hat is always a favorite to put on things.

Everyone does what's best for them, but his entire "treatment" of UNI since the loss to Georgetown - or even leading up to it given what played out. It's not unique to him at that point, but some things happened/said that aren't entirely well known that are pretty f-ed and typically when it happens with other coaches they aren't leaving their alma mater for an in-state rival and calling them a dream job before the ink on the box score of the loss is dry.

Now that he's made roughly 40-50m after leaving of course he's happy to come back and talk about how great UNI is and how much he loves it.

He's free - just as anyone else - to do whatever he wants. Every action, though, has an equal and opposite reaction.

At this point, he's more a Bluejay than a Panther, and that's fine. He spent 5 years as a coach and 4 as a player at UNI. He's in his 13th year at Creighton and just signed an extension that will keep him there long enough that had he had an infant the day he started there it would be going into college at the end of the extension. That's fine. Good for him and his family.

It doesn't actually change what happened publicly and privately, what had been said, and the ripple effect it has had.

I'm glad he's able to also put a friend hat on and say a couple nice things about UNI every few years. At least we know both friend hats actually exist then.

[UNIpanther99]

I'm not going to defend the guy much further, I certainly didn't love how it all went down at the time. But what was he making when he left here? $300K? And it led to UNI hiring the most successful coach in program history, so I think it worked out okay in the end.

If making decisions with your own best interests in mind bothers you, I would suggest college athletics isn't the correct fandom for you - especially in the new world of NIL and transfer portal.

[skydog0784]

Didn't know where to put this, but this is a must listen:

https://twitter.com/DTL319/status/1743287241567359362

That was awesome, thanks for sharing.

I had no idea that Muddy Waters son played at UNI. I just looked up Muddy on Wikipedia and saw this little tidbit: "In 2017 his youngest son, Joseph "Mojo" Morganfield, began publicly performing the blues, and played occasionally with his brothers;[58] he died in 2020 at the age of 56."

[ronfitch]

That was awesome, thanks for sharing.

I had no idea that Muddy Waters son played at UNI. I just looked up Muddy on Wikipedia and saw this little tidbit: "In 2017 his youngest son, Joseph "Mojo" Morganfield, began publicly performing the blues, and played occasionally with his brothers;[58] he died in 2020 at the age of 56."

No idea, either, and I was at UNI at the time. The '84-'85 media guide profile states nothing about music.

Found this interview online: https://earlyblues.org/interviews-jo...o-morganfield/

[clenz]

I'm not going to defend the guy much further, I certainly didn't love how it all went down at the time. But what was he making when he left here? $300K? And it led to UNI hiring the most successful coach in program history, so I think it worked out okay in the end.

If making decisions with your own best interests in mind bothers you, I would suggest college athletics isn't the correct fandom for you - especially in the new world of NIL and transfer portal.

Making decisions best for you is fantastic. You'll find that on here, AGS, Twitter, etc. I've been one of the most vocal about the transfer portal, NIL, etc. for years not being the worst ideas and supporting kids for transferring to find a better situation for themselves. The same is true for coaches.

However, you can 100% burn bridges and be a complete asshat on your way out (as a coach, player, or just random employee at random company) and say/do things that absolutely burn bridges, good will, feelings, and even actively hurt that company. Those who are still with that other place aren't required to still feel good things about you simply because you spent a few years there and were a good employee there. They can still recognize the roll you played in successes and think you betrayed them on the way out and actively poached other potential employees that would have changed your entire company. Especially when you leave your company for a direct competitor that you go against every single year (at the time) in the same exact line of work just down the road from your office building.

We don't have to lay at his feet simply because he played/coached here when his actions showed his values/ideals/thoughts towards UNI. I don't blame him for taking a job that made 600k rather than 300k - because remember that's what his contract at Iowa State was...he didn't take a 2/3 million a year job. He took the lowest paying job in the B12, and was negotiating the deal, when he should have been prepping his team for the NCAAs. He publicly forced Dannen and Jake to waive conference rules so they didn't take the bad guy/pr hit for not allowing a son to play for his father. He, and Creighton, made public comments that UNI was going to waive the rules for that before either one of them had heard from Doug, Greg, Creighton, or anyone else. He asked Jake to put his ****ing friend hat on. He poached Doug before he even took the job, but didn't approach Jake on it at all. That is straight from Doug's own mouth in a 2012 interview with Nicole Auerbach and USA Today. Doug said "It was kind of a package deal," Doug McDermott says. "My dad asked me before he took the job if I'd want to go with him." In the years after it has been spun as "Jacobson gladly released Doug from his NLI and waived the in-conference transfer rule through masterful PR spin by the McDermott's and Creighton. We don't need to re-hash everything beyond that, but my point stands.

I'm glad he has warm fuzzy feelings 17 years later after making tens of millions of dollars by going to 2 direct rivals (in state and in conference) and poaching UNI's highest-rated recruit by playing the "I'm your friend, you wouldn't enforce the rules on friend" card in public rather than having a direct conversation.

[skydog0784]

No idea, either, and I was at UNI at the time. The '84-'85 media guide profile states nothing about music.

Found this interview online: https://earlyblues.org/interviews-jo...o-morganfield/

Another cool interview - with a mention of him playing hoops at UNI and how Muddy felt about too - good find. Actually, I was there too at the same time; but barely. I was Sept 79 - Dec 83 at UNI; looks like he came to UNI in the Fall of 83.