Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

[FMPanther]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

Actually it kind of does. You can live in a house with 50 g of pot and look the other way and say you made a bad decision. Still off the team but made a bad decision.

50Kg of pot is enough that you are knowingly putting yourself in harms way in a serious way

What if you live in a house where people drink underage all of the time? Not the same thing, but analogous.

[in_the_stands]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

IIRC, THC (the active component in weed) stays in the bloodstream for quite a while. If Williams really is clean, he could get a blood test, wait a bit for Farley to cool down, then ask to be reinstated. Hypothetically, anyway...

[FerociousCat]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

Class D felony is 30 grams or more...
class C is 10 lbs or more...
check your facts RAG!

[Kyle]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

What if you live in a house where people drink underage all of the time? Not the same thing, but analogous.

$300K worth of illegal drugs will get you YEARS of jail time. Underage drinking will get you a $250 ticket.

[FMPanther]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

$300K worth of illegal drugs will get you YEARS of jail time. Underage drinking will get you a $250 ticket.

It wasn't $300K worth.

Plus, I am unsure whether a clean test would have helped Victor in this case.

[MnPantherFan]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

$300K worth of illegal drugs will get you YEARS of jail time. Underage drinking will get you a $250 ticket.

Philisophically speaking they are both illegal so there is no difference, besides it looks like the paper got the amount wrong, but again no difference. I'm not saying guity or innocent but guilt by association? What about the other two roomates or other players that may have visited? Lots of speculation and assumptions flying around. Don't be too quick to condemn, let's see how it shakes out.

[GonzoCat]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

This is all very confusing. I wouldn't call 50 grams or less a large quantity that would bring an intent to deliver charge. It's about an ounce and a half. I don't know anything about pot, but that does not seem like that much. On the other hand I find it hard to believe Gray was sitting on close to $300K worth.

If it is the small amount, Johnny takes total ownership of it, and all Victor is guilty of is living in the same house, then I think Victor got a raw deal. Guilt by association is tough route to go, not many of us would be able to withstand a scrutiny of all our friends lives. Queue TCP with an Obama post.

[TH1974]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

What if you live in a house where people drink underage all of the time? Not the same thing, but analogous.

I think living in a house where people *smoke* pot and living in a house where underage kids drink is analogous. Living in a house where people *sell* pot is a little different.

[panthertrack]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

Maybe - and now, just maybe - the police felt it was justified to charge Williams along with Gray. You notice that they didn't charge the other two that lived there - now why pick and choose?

I'm guessing there was a reason behind it.

When all is said and done, the police/task force that executed the warrant are the only ones who know EXACTLY what happened, and we should reserve conjecture about it because of that.

[JayJ79]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

I think living in a house where people *smoke* pot and living in a house where underage kids drink is analogous. Living in a house where people *sell* pot is a little different.

It's analogous to living in a house where people throw a party where underage kids get alcohol

[P. compressa]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

What if you live in a house where people drink underage all of the time? Not the same thing, but analogous.

Actually I was thinking about non-legal harm. If you are in a house, with over 300K in drugs on site you are probably fairly likely to have people come into that house and try to take those drugs, not people with guns and badges just people with GUNS.

That is why I made the statement. Over 1 once is intent (roughly 28 grams)

Any word on the other room mates. Do they actually live there? If they do Farley has some explaining to do (notice I said Farley not the students).

As for Victor's suspension Farley could have suspended him until the legal troubles were worked out, essentially dismissing him and avoided this whole hub bub. Then again we probably would have all us hypothesizing when he would/could return and not wanting to deal with that he just outright dismissed him.

[UNI Fight]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

IIRC, THC (the active component in weed) stays in the bloodstream for quite a while. If Williams really is clean, he could get a blood test, wait a bit for Farley to cool down, then ask to be reinstated. Hypothetically, anyway...

Very true. If he tests clean for THC there may be a better arguement, but it'd still be tough for Farley to have kept him after such a blow up in the media. I think it raises the question would he have been let go from the team if it had just been him caught with a little bit of weed. Because if you recall earlier in the season wasn't Tecklenburg our OT from Muscatine caught driving under the influence of marijuana? I believe he has seen playing time, even as late as the Missouri State game. If Williams didn't get caught up with Johnny is he let go from the team??

[JayJ79]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

Sidenote:
This thread has just hit 420
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[clenz]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

Very true. If he tests clean for THC there may be a better arguement, but it'd still be tough for Farley to have kept him after such a blow up in the media. I think it raises the question would he have been let go from the team if it had just been him caught with a little bit of weed. Because if you recall earlier in the season wasn't Tecklenburg our OT from Muscatine caught driving under the influence of marijuana? I believe he has seen playing time, even as late as the Missouri State game. If Williams didn't get caught up with Johnny is he let go from the team??

He was busted for "paraphernalia" and a DUI.

[UNI Fight]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

He was busted for "paraphernalia" and a DUI.

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081009/SPORTS0207/810090392

You're right. But I would argue that a DUI is worse than a drug possession, as far as public safety is concerned. Why is it that someone who smokes marijuana (even though Williams says he didn't, I'm just speaking in general terms) is let go from a team, but if someone gets a DUI (which could potentially kill others) they still see playing time? Doesn't seem equal.