Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

[Panther-at-Arms]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

What are the medicinal uses of alcohol? Why isn't it a Schedule I substance?

It's not scheduled at all. Tobacco, beer, wine, and spirits, as well as caffeine, are explicitly exempt from the Controlled Substances Act. I don't why.

Jay, I get the feeling based on your posts here and posts in the past about drinking that your basic argument over the illegality of marijuana is because you feel alcohol is as bad or worse. I can't completely disagree with that concept, however just because something else is also bad doesn't mean the other thing should be legalized.

[Panther-at-Arms]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7459

http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=6635

And I take some exception to being labeled a stoner because I advocate the usage of a drug for medicinal purposes.

I would like to expressly point out that I never called you a stoner.

As far as the first article goes: you will never convince me marijuana does not have an impact on someone's ability to operate a vehicle safely. My experience tells me otherwise. And again, just because alcohol may have a bigger effect does not mean pot is OK.

And for the second article: I'm pretty sure heroin has far better anesthetic properties than morphine but again, morphine works and heroin is illegal. Also, while smoking may get the substance into the blood and to the brain faster than oral consumption, the effects are fleeting with a shorter duration, and the dispersal rate is harder to manage. Marijuana cigarettes also have all that nasty stuff regular cigarettes have, such as tar. Sure people say they prefer actual THC to the synthetic compound in a pill...they want their pot. All those Friday movies would never have been the same if Ice Cube was popping little pills instead of puffing on joints.

[FMPanther]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams, Darrell Lloyd, and De'Veon Harris Suspended

I am 24. I don't idolize college athletes. When I was 8-13 I did. Just because you have kids, and yours might not idolize them, doesn't make you the world's leading expert. Go back and read all of the responses throughout this thread about explaining this to peoples' kids.
Either way, you're missing my point. These athletes are given everything in college. As somebody who worked 34 hours a week all through college on top of mascotting while going to school at least 12 hrs/wk, it really pisses me off to see these guys out there stealing, lying, dealing/doing drugs, etc. when they are getting every advantage over me. I highly doubt they ever had to wonder if they were going to have the money to buy groceries that week, make rent, or pay tuition on time so they could sign up for classes on time. Like I said, if they want to throw that away, along with many peoples' respect for a program (there are other instances that have slowly withered my respect for the UNI football program), screw them, let's spend the money on kids who actually care about the difference between right and wrong.
UNI's reputation was something we could be proud of just a couple of years ago. Between the Parsons incidents, the fight with football players on University Ave, the two idiots who were driving around drunk, and now these two dumbasses, we can no longer look down I-380 and say "hey, at least that's not us." And we have nobody to blame except those kids, and the people who bring them into our institution.

I worked hard to get through school too. A lot of people work hard. A lot of people need some perspective on how much effort should be thrown behind college-age kids.

I don't have to rehash all of the previous posts. Look, if I have to worry about taking time to let my son know that these things happen and whether it will break his heart, well, perhaps I ought to look inside and determine how much of that is from my kid or how much of that is from the me pushing college athletics.

Maybe that money and more should go back into the general fund.

[Herbert Hancock]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

[06panther10]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

That is too good.

[JayJ79]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

What is the issue breaking the law or getting caught? If we just get rid of everyone at UNI that has broken the law what is our enrollment, is it even 2000? You would have to include anyone that ever took a drink before they were legal.

5. an enrollment of 5.

[JayJ79]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

I very much doubt it will happen, as the program has been on a downhill slide with regard to values and morales for the past couple of years.

Have they really? Or has the spotlight from the media/public just gotten brighter on this sort of thing in college (and other) athletics?

I really doubt that all the past athletes were perfect angels compared to "today's kids". In fact, I'd wager that the levels of misbehavior are probably about the same. It's just that the nature of the media, public perception, and the addition of internet gossip has just really increased scrutiny and made a bigger deal out of such misbehavior.

[JayJ79]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

They did dope and they are done, they get to live with the legal mess and the fact that their names are ruined forever in the Cedar Falls area/Panther fans.

Selling dope if bad, I don't care if it is aspirin. Johnny signs autographs for kids after the games and then later that night sells dope to people not a whole lot older.

I rather doubt that Johnny went around selling pot to kids on the playground. Most likely, if he was even dealing, his "clientelle" was mostly other college kids. But I could be wrong.

[Twin Cities Panther]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams, Darrell Lloyd, and De'Veon Harris Suspended

How many kids do you have?

Ridiculous = idolizing college athletes. Of course kids do it. That doesn't make it right. Think about your role models...at this moment. Who are they? if they are athletes, that is sad, to be honest.

Obviously you don't know what it takes to be a successful student-athlete at the collegiate level, my good fellow. Anyone who can do that; especially someone from a disadvantaged background, is a suitable role modle for any child. Who would you suggest, a lying, stealing, cheating, pot smoker like bill clinton?

[Twin Cities Panther]

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No, having a contract and having a legally binding contract are two different things. A prenuptial agreement isn't a good example, because there are statutory issues and complex principles of property law at play.

Courts generally allow (and encourage) parties to enter agreements and be bound by them. It is when a contract had a provision that was not legally binding, or could not legally be enforced, that the contract would be set aside by the courts.

Most likely such contracts, in this context, would have to be year-to-year. The player could be required to pay back only the tuition for the current year if permanently dismissed from the team, but not for previous years.

You are correct.......you are not an attorney.

[Panther78]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

I rather doubt that Johnny went around selling pot to kids on the playground. Most likely, if he was even dealing, his "clientelle" was mostly other college kids. But I could be wrong.

I doubt if you're wrong. I better get off before I get myself in trouble.

[Newsbreaker]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

You are correct.......you are not an attorney.

I never said I was, but I believe my analysis is correct. If someone who is an attorney could provide a different perspective, it would be welcome of course.

[run&blade]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

I rather doubt that Johnny went around selling pot to kids on the playground. Most likely, if he was even dealing, his "clientelle" was mostly other college kids. But I could be wrong.

If they are signing autographs for 12 years old and then selling dope to 18 year olds later that night the age difference is not that great.

After college 10 years going by seems like nothing.

[panthertrack]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

I better get off before I get myself in trouble.

[UNI Fight]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

Probably the best post on this thread so far!

Let's start talking about all the UNI athletes who do things the right way. Here's a good article from the NI about the honorary sideline coach program at UNI. Kudos to Mr. Zach Buxton at the NI for digging up this positive story on UNI athletics and academics.

http://www.northern-iowan.org/bridgi...%252C_athletes