Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

[bobsboy84]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

So, should Johnny be given credit for admitting ownership of the drug, thus letting Williams and the other two team/roommates off the hook for intent to deliver charge? Could be construed as a "stand up" kind of action?

[clenz]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

It's official

http://www.wcfcourier.com/articles/2...5017421927.txt

Someone tell me if I'm reading this wrong. Was Williams was only arrested because he was home? It seems they were going for Johnny and picking up Vic was "a bonus" to them. Am I reading that correctly?

[Trapped in California]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

More than 1.5 oz, thats really open to interpretation. Kudos for Gray taking ownership of the situation. Making the best of a bad situation is all he can do at this point. At least he didn't blame someone else. He F'd up, but is owning it. More than most.

[Trapped in California]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

Someone tell me if I'm reading this wrong. Was Williams was only arrested because he was home? It seems they were going for Johnny and picking up Vic was "a bonus" to them. Am I reading that correctly?

Don't believe everything as written. I have been interviewed a number of times by various "news" organizations. In reading or watching the resulting stories, I wondered out loud if I was part of the same conversation as the "reporter".

[clenz]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

Wonder what Montari is thinking?

Him leaving the team looks a little "bigger" now doesn't it?

[Big_Al]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

Probably so, but I don't think asking them not to sell drugs is asking too much.

Hey -- nowhere did I say anything close to that.

I was only responding to the question of whether they should have to pay back their scholarships. I think that's pushing things a bit too far -- the colleges get a pretty big benefit from their athletic programs and I don't think it's fair for them to expect only upsides without participating in the downside, as well.

[TH1974]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

Hey -- nowhere did I say anything close to that.

I was only responding to the question of whether they should have to pay back their scholarships. I think that's pushing things a bit too far -- the colleges get a pretty big benefit from their athletic programs and I don't think it's fair for them to expect only upsides without participating in the downside, as well.

I agree 100%, then.

[FMPanther]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

So, should Johnny be given credit for admitting ownership of the drug, thus letting Williams and the other two team/roommates off the hook for intent to deliver charge? Could be construed as a "stand up" kind of action?

I heard that Williams just happened to be home and had nothing on him.

[GonzoCat]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

Someone tell me if I'm reading this wrong. Was Williams was only arrested because he was home? It seems they were going for Johnny and picking up Vic was "a bonus" to them. Am I reading that correctly?

It said Victor was in possession of a "personal use" amount, whatever the limit is on that, so no he wasn't arrested just because he was home.

[jegbomb52]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams, Darrell Lloyd, and De'Veon Harris Suspended

WTF? Where would you get that? I am not jealous of athletes in the least. I go to games, I root for UNI and travel and support them. Good for them that they have a skill. But they don't necessarily work any harder than many other students. Most of the athletes work harder than I did when I was in school, to be honest, except I went into the military to pay for college, so i did my work up front.

It doesn't surprise me that many on this bb are missing my point. Why wouldn't you miss my point? This is a bb that discusses sports.

and jeg, if I did eff up by selling drugs, my name should be dragged through the mud. The fact is, I didn't. My "college job" was serving in the military, so if I effed up like that, I would have went to prison in leavenworth, so save it.

FM, I have not read more than five posts in this thread as I have just returned from Lambeau Field (what a place) first off:

Thanks for your service. It takes a special person to dedicate themselves with that level of committment to our country. I am in no way, shape or form defending the behavior of these athletes. I wasn't even responding to your post, I was just replying to the question of how athletes don't have "jobs" thats all. Please don't tell me to "save it."

To those who said try to not to compare being an athlete to being a "regular college student" who works through school at quick star or the WRC please, walk a mile in my shoes. Don't compare what you did slinging burgers or digging ditches to what athletes do and the time they put in. Unless you have done it, you have no idea. I put myself through college for two years working at a YMCA, I then put myself through college for two years playing football. The balance of school, life, and "work" was nothing when working at the Y as it was when I started playing football.

[clenz]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

It said Victor was in possession of a "personal use" amount, whatever the limit is on that, so no he wasn't arrested just because he was home.

So he was in the same house as the weed when it got busted....that is really all that means....i believe.

[UNI MadCat]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams, Darrell Lloyd, and De'Veon Harris Suspended

To those who said try to not to compare being an athlete to being a "regular college student" who works through school at quick star or the WRC please, walk a mile in my shoes. Don't compare what you did slinging burgers or digging ditches to what athletes do and the time they put in. Unless you have done it, you have no idea. I put myself through college for two years working at a YMCA, I then put myself through college for two years playing football. The balance of school, life, and "work" was nothing when working at the Y as it was when I started playing football.

Just a thought... when trying to prove your point to an audience that primarily is not comprised of student-athletes focus on what you did and elevate it without downgrading what others of us did to get through. Otherwise you come off as pretty elitist.

[dan_beeding]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams, Darrell Lloyd, and De'Veon Harris Suspended

To those who said try to not to compare being an athlete to being a "regular college student" who works through school at quick star or the WRC please, walk a mile in my shoes. Don't compare what you did slinging burgers or digging ditches to what athletes do and the time they put in. Unless you have done it, you have no idea. I put myself through college for two years working at a YMCA, I then put myself through college for two years playing football. The balance of school, life, and "work" was nothing when working at the Y as it was when I started playing football.

I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, but it really sounds like you're trying to excuse what he did. I don't care how hard football is, I don't care how much harder than paying for your own tuition Johnny's life is, what he did was selfish, and he received the praise when he deserved it, and now he deserves to be ashamed of what he has done.

[panthertrack]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

Did FM's job get him full-tuition and the chance, even if an outside chance, to make instant millions post-graduation?

You can't compare being an athlete with being a regular, working student. At least you can't compare the two things with much accuracy.

You can't compare a full-scholarship basketball or football player, you mean.

[Cat80]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

Jeg, are you saying the work was not worth the reward? If so, you or anyone has the opportunity to not receive the scholarship money, play a club sport, and find a way to pay for college yourself. You are right I do not understand what level of work a scholarship athlete has to do to maintain that scholarship. My point is, it's a voluntary activity. If it's too much, why do it? There's no shame in not playing sports and paying your own way through college. Thousands do it.