What will it take?

[UNIFanSince1983]

Re: What will it take?

there are no more new years day bowls now than there have been in the past. i dont understand you guys' argument at all here. sure, there are some new bowls played after jan 1, but they are not considered "new years day bowls" from a historic or prestige standpoint.

So Outback and Capital One are historic and prestigious "new years day bowls"?

The historic new years day bowls were the orange, the rose, the fiesta, and the sugar. Hell another historic bowl was the cotton bowl. I do not consider the Capital One or Outback historic or prestigious. Obviously they are more prestigious than the motor city or humanitarian, but they are not in the same league as the traditional new years day bowls.

[UNIpanther99]

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So Outback and Capital One are historic and prestigious "new years day bowls"?

The historic new years day bowls were the orange, the rose, the fiesta, and the sugar. Hell another historic bowl was the cotton bowl. I do not consider the Capital One or Outback historic or prestigious. Obviously they are more prestigious than the motor city or humanitarian, but they are not in the same league as the traditional new years day bowls.

Remember that Capital One used to be the Florida Citrus Bowl... So it's been around for a while.

Citrus, Gator, Cotton, Rose, Orange, Sugar, and Fiesta are what I consider the traditional New Years Day Bowls.

[Mudrafan]

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the problem w/ your argument is that you are trying to spin that Iowa is a top 10 type program because they play in New Year's day games when nothing could be further from the truth. They play in them due to two things: an overrated conferences bowl affiliations and two...a delusional fanbase that would follow them anywhere just to get away from an Iowa winter. Aside from beating LSU, Iowa is completely devoid of a national win & are quite a ways from being anywhere close to the elite that many an Iowa fan claims.

[UNIFanSince1983]

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The AP poll is out and Iowa is ranked 22. This will no doubt be a huge hill for our Panthers to climb. I think jegbomb is most on with his predictions on what it will take for us to win this game. We need to play flawless and hope Iowa makes a few mistakes along the way.

BTW 6 of the last 9 times Iowa was preseason Top 25 they finished the season unranked...

[SteinPizza]

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Remember that Capital One used to be the Florida Citrus Bowl... So it's been around for a while.

Citrus, Gator, Cotton, Rose, Orange, Sugar, and Fiesta are what I consider the traditional New Years Day Bowls.

You're incorrect. The commonly accepted definition of New Years Day Bowl, or at least when they meant someting, are the BCS Bowls today. Rose, Orange, Sugar, Fiesta. If the Cotton Bowl was still around in something close to it's present form, it would count too. But the old SWC started to suck, and Texas etc. joined the Big Twelve. This killed the SWC, and the Cotton Bowl was meaningless from then on (I think it even went dormant for several years).

The Citrus (Outback) and Gator don't have near enough historical prestige to consider themselves "New Years Day" in anything other than the date played. I went to a Gator Bowl in '82 to watch Iowa play Florida...the game was between two pretty good teams, but it was played on December 28th or so, and didn't figure into the national championship or Top Ten. I looked it up...the Gator started playing regularly on 1/1 after 1996. That's about the time all the lesser bowls started rescheduling to give themselves false prestige.

9YearPlan, you may well be correct that there are no more games played on 1/1 than in the past. The reason for that is the BCS has altered the schedule to give each BCS game maximum TV exposure. The last few years, at least two if not three of the BCS games have been played after 1/1. It's a false arguement to say that the New Years games today have the same significance as in the past. Unless you're playing in a BCS game, it's an empty premise.

[Silent Earl]

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The Rose, Orange, Sugar, and Cotton bowls were the traditional NYD bowl games. The Fiesta is a johnny come lately that only started some time after the invention of air conditioning and the relocation of millions of people to live in the desert.

There are 7-8 games played on NYD now, even though several of the top BCS games have been moved to post NYD. Didn't that smurf bowl ISU once played in even move to after new years?

[UNIpanther99]

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You're incorrect. The commonly accepted definition of New Years Day Bowl, or at least when they meant someting, are the BCS Bowls today. Rose, Orange, Sugar, Fiesta. If the Cotton Bowl was still around in something close to it's present form, it would count too. But the old SWC started to suck, and Texas etc. joined the Big Twelve. This killed the SWC, and the Cotton Bowl was meaningless from then on (I think it even went dormant for several years).

The Citrus (Outback) and Gator don't have near enough historical prestige to consider themselves "New Years Day" in anything other than the date played. I went to a Gator Bowl in '82 to watch Iowa play Florida...the game was between two pretty good teams, but it was played on December 28th or so, and didn't figure into the national championship or Top Ten. I looked it up...the Gator started playing regularly on 1/1 after 1996. That's about the time all the lesser bowls started rescheduling to give themselves false prestige.

9YearPlan, you may well be correct that there are no more games played on 1/1 than in the past. The reason for that is the BCS has altered the schedule to give each BCS game maximum TV exposure. The last few years, at least two if not three of the BCS games have been played after 1/1. It's a false arguement to say that the New Years games today have the same significance as in the past. Unless you're playing in a BCS game, it's an empty premise.

I may be incorrect by your standards, but those were the New Years Day bowls I always watched with my friends in the mid-80's through the 90's. Just sayin.'

In any event, this has nothing to do with what it will take to beat Iowa.

[DodgerHawki]

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Iowa didn't play the "Outback Bowl" they played in the Outback Bowl against South Carolina, which was not a "big game."


The only big game the Iowa Hawkeyes have played in over the last ten years was the Orange bowl. You all know how that turned out.

Coincedentally the only big game UNI has played in is the National Title game, and we also know how that turned out.

Secondly, Penn State was not the number 2 team in the country in 2008. I don't even remember if they finished in the top ten. The only rankings that matter are the ones that come out at the end of they year. Deleware didn't beat the #1 team in the country in 2007. They lost to them when they lost to Appy State.

Wow you have a high bar for what is a big game. That's fine, but by your definition most college FB players never, ever play in a big game. If UNI beats Iowa, it won't be because Stanzi hasn't played in enough "big" games or been tested enough. It will be because UNI played better.

Penn State did finish ranked in the Top 10 (8th). They were a very good team, with one of their losses to Iowa. It might not meet your criteria for a big game, but it was big to many of us Iowa fans.

[TH1974]

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Penn State did finish ranked in the Top 10 (8th). They were a very good team, with one of their losses to Iowa. It might not meet your criteria for a big game, but it was big to many of us Iowa fans.

That's because you're delusional, obviously.

[panthertrack]

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the problem w/ your argument is that you are trying to spin that Iowa is a top 10 type program because they play in New Year's day games when nothing could be further from the truth.

No, that's not it. Iowa isn't a "Top-10 program" in the past five years, no one is going to argue that. But, for the five years prior, they were. They finished ranked 8th in the nation three years in a row from 2002-2004.

Aside from beating LSU, Iowa is completely devoid of a national win & are quite a ways from being anywhere close to the elite that many an Iowa fan claims.

Since your definition of a "national win," only comes from wins against the SEC, I'd argue otherwise.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Outback_Bowl

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Outback_Bowl

I don't see any Iowa fans claiming they're "elite." The only thing close to that is 9yrplan saying Iowa is one of five teams to head to a NYD bowl 5 of the last 7 years or whatever..and it's true.

They play in them due to two things: an overrated conferences bowl affiliations and two...a delusional fanbase that would follow them anywhere just to get away from an Iowa winter.

Well, that's just stupid. Blame Iowa for their conference affiliations - and then take a shot at their fanbase. Par for the course.

[TH1974]

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The FCS playoffs will be expanding by 25% in 2010, so making them will be no big deal anymore.

[panthertrack]

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The FCS playoffs will be expanding by 25% in 2010, so making them will be no big deal anymore.

Equivalent of the high school playoffs in Iowa. What's it going to take, six wins?

[Panther789]

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there are no more new years day bowls now than there have been in the past. i dont understand you guys' argument at all here. sure, there are some new bowls played after jan 1, but they are not considered "new years day bowls" from a historic or prestige standpoint.

In addition to the BCS games, the Big Ten has 2 New Years Day Bowls. Most other conferences only have 1. If the Outback Bowl were in December, that would put the Big Ten and Iowa on par with most other conferences, and your statistic would no longer stand. Its a measuring stick that is only relevant to those schools who haven't achieved something greater.

Here is an article ranking the college football programs this decade. Iowa comes in at 32. A decent ranking, but also an indication that the program is to a large degree irrelevant on a national scale. The Penn State win was important because of its effect on PSU, not because of its effect on the Hawks.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/11982600

P.S. To have a shot at beating Iowa, I think we have to be at least +2 in turnovers.

[9YRPLAN]

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when have i argued that iowa is a top-10 program? never, nor will most iowa fans. once again, your little brother syndrome is getting the best of you.

the outbowl bowl used to have another name as well but it is escaping me at the moment. in my mind, BCS bowls played after Jan. 1 fall into the realm of "new years day bowls". they have been moved for TV purposes.

while you guys argue that iowa is using this statistic to inflate their image, I once again point out that only a handful of teams have done this, so iowa must have experienced some recent success. i have no idea who the other teams are, i just heard the discussion on the radio.

[Khan4Cats]

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when have i argued that iowa is a top-10 program? never, nor will most iowa fans. once again, your little brother syndrome is getting the best of you.

the outbowl bowl used to have another name as well but it is escaping me at the moment. in my mind, BCS bowls played after Jan. 1 fall into the realm of "new years day bowls". they have been moved for TV purposes.

while you guys argue that iowa is using this statistic to inflate their image, I once again point out that only a handful of teams have done this, so iowa must have experienced some recent success. i have no idea who the other teams are, i just heard the discussion on the radio.

What does any of this have to do with "little brother"? It seems that the so-called big brother is the one hyperventilating anytime their place in the pecking order might be challenged or questioned. The inferiority complex is not coming from UNI fans, it's from Iowa (and dual fans) who are apparently having a hard time with just what the ruler is measuring.