Two FBS opponents in 2013???

[jegbomb52]

Re: Two FBS opponents in 2013???

Sorry for misunderstanding. Still doesn't make it a relevant fact. Iowa, nor any other BCS team, does not care what their opponent spends to travel to play them. It does not figure into what they pay the opponent.

It pays into what the opponent demands. If we sign with Iowa today for a game in 2018, we have zero leverage, notta, zip, zilch. If we sign for a game in March 11' with Washington for fall of 11', we can use our travel costs as leverage for a higher pay out. If they say "we will give you $450." We come back with, "its gonna cost us $73,000 for travel." How about we meet at $525,000?" UNI now has leverage because Washington has to say to themselves "we can pay the $525,000 for a one time deal, or have to forfiet a home game and sign a home and home with Boise." Lets pay them their money. They will pay it because they stand to lose millions! Yet we continue to let ISU walk all over us to the tune of three hundred and some odd thousand thousand dollars. The bad thing about it is that we will be ISU lowest paid opponent for a one time deal, and we will have the highest attended game.

[9YRPLAN]

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Well I never said it was the most popular with the fans, but sold out is sold out. Now tell me which games are more profitable. Don't forget to divide the revenue in half for all the B10 games and preseason games with BCS opponents where there is a return game involved. Don't forget to subtract out their travel costs to those return games either. I guarantee you Iowa spends double what UNI does to travel for a game.

sold out is NOT sold out. the UNI game had a face value per ticket that was at least 25% less than a "big" name.

[jegbomb52]

Re: Two FBS opponents in 2013???

sold out is NOT sold out. the UNI game had a face value per ticket that was at least 25% less than a "big" name.

So I guess the big question here is, does Iowa make more money playing a home and home with Arizona, or by there one time buyouts of EIU and UNI?

[GonzoCat]

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sold out is NOT sold out. the UNI game had a face value per ticket that was at least 25% less than a "big" name.

Really? Pretty sure the UNI game ticket was $55. Do they honestly get over $73 for their other games over there? In that case they take in well over $5 million per home game and we should be able to demand even higher pay.

Still waiting to hear which games are more profitable for them. I guess Ball State would be more profitable if it is sold out at $20 more per ticket and they only pay them $400K more to play with no return game. I don't think that's true though. I'm willing to be proven wrong by verifiable facts as always.

[Panther-Sheik]

Re: Two FBS opponents in 2013???

Simply playing Iowa or ISU does nothing for us. We are not stealing any ISU recruits because we played them or beat them, we are not stealing any Iowa recruits because we almost beat them, we are not even stealing their walk ons. We are past feeling good about playing Iowa and ISU, this is about the bottom line, period. We need to make money, if we can net an extra $25,000 by playing Oregon State then God $&#(&# we need to do it. Our Athletic department is not getting $25,000 worth of good by playing ISU.

It isn't about stealing a recruit, its about building an actual fan base that will support you for years to come. When we played BYU a couple years ago, no one across the state even knew we had a game that week (except us die-hards). When we play Iowa or ISU, the fanbase comes out of the woodwork and actually rallies and gets behind the Panthers. It is steps in the right direction that we have to take if we want to be around in 15 years. We have 1,500 PSC members right now. From those 1,500 we raised $1.1M in cash donations this year. There is no reason that our PSC membership shouldn't be at least double that. If the next 1,500 donate even half of what the first 1,500 do, then that is another $500 - $600K per year. That is solid, sustainable revenue that we have to go after and makes much more sense to me than an additional $30K - $50K for one game (if that is even the number...I have no idea). Just saying there is a much bigger picture here that also has to be balanced with the choices of teams that we decide to play for revenue.

[JD720]

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Really? Pretty sure the UNI game ticket was $55. Do they honestly get over $73 for their other games over there? In that case they take in well over $5 million per home game and we should be able to demand even higher pay.

Why? If our travel costs are not relevant, how are their gate receipts relevant?

[GonzoCat]

Re: Two FBS opponents in 2013???

Why? If our travel costs are not relevant, how are their gate receipts relevant?

Good point, technically they aren't. But in order to generate $5 million in revenue they do need an opponent on the field. If they can't get any other opponent for less than $800K there's no reason we should play them for half that.

[Chitown Panther]

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TD said in the latest PSC letter, that he wants to get the PSC # from 1,500 to 4,000.

The day we get to 4,000 sure will feel good!!!!

[JayJ79]

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message board people are incredible.
They know more about coaching than football coaches, more about playing than the players, and more about scheduling and finances than the ADs.
amazing!
or something

[9YRPLAN]

Re: Two FBS opponents in 2013???

i know a lot about everything. thats why i can post on message boards all day and stilll maintain a good job.

[BryceC]

Re: Two FBS opponents in 2013???

How many season ticket holders are there? Wouldn't it be more accurate to remove those?

If there's 30k season tix holders:
UNI game (56,795 - 30,000) x $40 = $1.07M
Avg conf (41,666 - 30,000) x $60 = $700K

This is a good point. I concede there. I'll still tackle the "most profitable game" nonsense.

However, we have about 25k season ticket holders last I saw.

Let's say we get 55k this year (they removed about 2k seats a few years ago after the renovations - it is doubtful they will ever break that UNI attendance record).

Last year we had 52,089 for the Iowa game.

55000 - 25000 x 40 = 1,200,000 - 300,000 = 900,000

2009 Iowa: 52,089 - 25000 x 90 = 2,438,010

2008 NU: 48,794 - 25000 x 90 = 2,141,460


I think we can agree that with the appearance fees ISU can probably expect to clear about 900k by playing UNI on a yearly basis without a return trip. Clearly, both the ISU and Iowa game are more profitable even WITH a return trip. Also, the Big 12 does not have equal TV revenue sharing - so this doesn't even count the hundreds of thousands of additional dollars ISU receives from those NU/UI games that are on TV.

[9YRPLAN]

Re: Two FBS opponents in 2013???

i just know that when single game tickets are sold, UNI and Ball State were $50 and $55 from the ticket office while other games can be up to $75 face value

I will say that UNI and ISU games likely bring in more ancillary revenue to the vendors and such.

[Blue42]

Re: Two FBS opponents in 2013???

i just know that when single game tickets are sold, UNI and Ball State were $50 and $55 from the ticket office while other games can be up to $75 face value

I will say that UNI and ISU games likely bring in more ancillary revenue to the vendors and such.

What the hell are you talking about?

[BryceC]

Re: Two FBS opponents in 2013???

Official attendance for yesterday's game, less than 49k. Clearly, not going to be the most lucrative game on ISU's schedule this year.

[jegbomb52]

Re: Two FBS opponents in 2013???

Official attendance for yesterday's game, less than 49k. Clearly, not going to be the most lucrative game on ISU's schedule this year.

Bet your bottom dollar it would have been had it not been for the weather. I like how you leave that out in your argument. All big XII opponents won't have been as highly of attended (maybe Nebraska) and with UNI you don't have to return next year to their place on your dime. It probably will still be the most lucrative game, now that you guys backed out of Utah they might have a shot to be the most lucrative, only if tickets are more because I promise that game won't have 49K in attendence.