Two FBS opponents in 2013???

[SteinPizza]

Re: Two FBS opponents in 2013???

Of course there is the little problem that talent would end up more evenly spread out so that the OSUs, USCs and Alabamas of the world couldn't stockpile talent.

They can't stockpile talent now. Matt Cassel is a one off - a guy who never started at USC but good enough to make an NFL roster. The only other example I can think of is Brad Johnson, who played very little at Florida State (at least as I remember). All other FBS non starters (and most starters) might as well count on making a living in sales, banking, teaching, etc.

The scholly limits now in place were put there sometime in the early the mid '80s to limit the ability to stockpile. Several Big Ten teams were notorious for it. Illinois was big on it, and so was Iowa under Fry to an extent. Fry signed Kevin Ringer from Ellsworth as an RB, and I don't think he saw more than a handful of downs in two years. He was recruited by EVERYBODY, but Iowa successfully kept him away from others. Of course, the goal would've been for him to play, but sign him and take talent away from your opposition. Back then, they had enough schollys to do that. As FYI, I think Kevin Ringer is Javon Ringer's (ex Michigan St., current Tennessee Titan) older brother, or some similar close relation. Kevin was a stud, just not good enough to play at Iowa during that time.

[FOTY]

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Not when there is a deficit in the classroom budget.

Perhaps the mindset is different at the FCS level, but I think most realize major college athletic programs are businesses.

I agree with you, but its funny how almost all of these "businesses" receive a substantial amount from their general funds. I haven't seen the actual numbers, but I doubt there are even 10 that are entirely self sufficient (even Mich recieves multiple $millions).

[swarthmore]

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I agree with you, but its funny how almost all of these "businesses" receive a substantial amount from their general funds. I haven't seen the actual numbers, but I doubt there are even 10 that are entirely self sufficient (even Mich recieves multiple $millions).

The State of Iowa is forward thinking imo.
Also, the article I read on the issue stated there were only 14 FBS ADs that had surpluses. I would need to see the details before I equated that to meaning only 14 did not receive general funding. Perhaps the arms race dictates departments spend what they have- no surplus does not rule out breaking even.

[FOTY]

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tOSU receives funding yet is stated to have a surplus most years. There is no correlation between breaking even or having a surplus to receiving general fund monies.

Its amazing what some of these universities are receiving from the general fund. The $4.5 mil that Iowa will be handing out between 3 schools is peanuts.

[ubuntuCAT]

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Not when there is a deficit in the classroom budget.

Perhaps the mindset is different at the FCS level, but I think most realize major college athletic programs are businesses.

If any of them were run as businesses everyone would have Football and mens basketball and that is it with a few exceptions probably for big time wrestling, hockey, maybe lacross or something else.

[swarthmore]

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If any of them were run as businesses everyone would have Football and mens basketball and that is it with a few exceptions probably for big time wrestling, hockey, maybe lacross or something else.

It is not possible to have WBB, Swimming, etc. and be a business?
Like all business there are rules and regulations that cost $ that ADs must abide by....for example they need to have x amount of sports and a certain ratio of male to female scholarships.

[swarthmore]

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tOSU receives funding yet is stated to have a surplus most years. There is no correlation between breaking even or having a surplus to receiving general fund monies.

Its amazing what some of these universities are receiving from the general fund. The $4.5 mil that Iowa will be handing out between 3 schools is peanuts.

Exactly my point.
Using reports that only 14 have surplus does not tell us anything about being self-sufficient or receiving state funding. I have not seen any links here to information on how many schools receive state funding.

[ubuntuCAT]

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This is a good point. I concede there. I'll still tackle the "most profitable game" nonsense.

However, we have about 25k season ticket holders last I saw.

Let's say we get 55k this year (they removed about 2k seats a few years ago after the renovations - it is doubtful they will ever break that UNI attendance record).

Last year we had 52,089 for the Iowa game.

55000 - 25000 x 40 = 1,200,000 - 300,000 = 900,000

2009 Iowa: 52,089 - 25000 x 90 = 2,438,010

2008 NU: 48,794 - 25000 x 90 = 2,141,460


I think we can agree that with the appearance fees ISU can probably expect to clear about 900k by playing UNI on a yearly basis without a return trip. Clearly, both the ISU and Iowa game are more profitable even WITH a return trip. Also, the Big 12 does not have equal TV revenue sharing - so this doesn't even count the hundreds of thousands of additional dollars ISU receives from those NU/UI games that are on TV.

I see ISU drew 6,000 fewer fans to the Tech game than the UNI game when they had GREAT weather for the Tech game.

[cydave]

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Not to bring this up but I see ISU drew 6,000 fewer fans to the Tech game than the UNI game when they had GREAT weather for the Tech game.

I think everybody was surprised by this.
Tech didn't bring much more than 1k fans, but still doesn't make up for 6k less. I have no clue why there weren't more fans there, but it was there mistake as they missed one of the most exciting games I've ever witnessed at JT stadium in the last 5 or so years.
There should be more fans there for the Utah game this weekend. I'm guessing there will be 50,000 +/- 2,000.

[ubuntuCAT]

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I think everybody was surprised by this.
Tech didn't bring much more than 1k fans, but still doesn't make up for 6k less. I have no clue why there weren't more fans there, but it was there mistake as they missed one of the most exciting games I've ever witnessed at JT stadium in the last 5 or so years.
There should be more fans there for the Utah game this weekend. I'm guessing there will be 50,000 +/- 2,000.

Still couldn't believe the ISU score when I kept checking on my phone. Not that I didn't think they could win but that they scored that many damn points!!! congrats to the clones, Ames will erupt if they get a victory this weekend.

[cydave]

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Still couldn't believe the ISU score when I kept checking on my phone. Not that I didn't think they could win but that they scored that many damn points!!! congrats to the clones, Ames will erupt if they get a victory this weekend.

I don't know what I'm more shocked about: the fact that we scored that many points or the fact that we didn't find a new way to lose a ball game after being up 24-0.
Getting a victory this weekend against Utah would be HUGE.

[ubuntuCAT]

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or the fact that we didn't find a new way to lose a ball game after being up 24-0.

lol my exact thoughts were coming in mind when it was 24 all then. Did I read that right that all 52 pts were scored in 2 quarters 2nd and 4th.

[cydave]

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lol my exact thoughts were coming in mind when it was 24 all then. Did I read that right that all 52 pts were scored in 2 quarters 2nd and 4th.

Yes, 24 in the 2nd and 28 in the 4th.

[Trapped in California]

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I think everybody was surprised by this.
Tech didn't bring much more than 1k fans, but still doesn't make up for 6k less. I have no clue why there weren't more fans there, but it was there mistake as they missed one of the most exciting games I've ever witnessed at JT stadium in the last 5 or so years.
There should be more fans there for the Utah game this weekend. I'm guessing there will be 50,000 +/- 2,000.

BTW - tonight I received a Paul Rhodes robo-call asking me to buy tickets for Utah. Got my number from the ISU-UNI game tix purchase, apparently.

1. How do I get off this list?
2. How come UNI cannot/has not done something like this? However, I do get mailings for season ticket subscriptions to the performing arts season. Go figure.

[cydave]

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BTW - tonight I received a Paul Rhodes robo-call asking me to buy tickets for Utah. Got my number from the ISU-UNI game tix purchase, apparently.

1. How do I get off this list?
2. How come UNI cannot/has not done something like this? However, I do get mailings for season ticket subscriptions to the performing arts season. Go figure.

I'm not sure how you would get off that list, maybe try calling the ISU marketing dpmt... They don't do it for every game, just the big ones. So, I doubt you will get another call, maybe just the Nebraska game.