Honest question

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Ban....here you go again talking jibberish....the "it" he is referring to is getting over the hump and actually winning a national title....we all know Farley can get to playoffs and win 1 game....apparently you are ok with that....I and many others are not...you like to speak in facts....here is one for you...we are 12 and 21 in games decided by 8 points or less since 2009....that is coaching if you have watched the games...we lose in the 4th quarter all the time now...you're right coaches don't play the game....but do you think our players continuously forget how to play late in close games or is it the strategy??? We needed one first diwn to end the game sat...3 BS runs...he always wants his defense on the field last and it usually doesn't end up well for us....hense 12 and 21

Have you entertained the possibility that other teams have just caught up to us finally?

How can a coach change the course of events, as they are happening, on the field? if coaches played THAT MUCH of a role, then why has NDSU's former coach, hailed as a genius, had little to no success where he's at? Did his replacement at NDSU suddenly get bitten by the genius bu, or did he have A LOT of material to work with when he inherited the job?

That is the most ludicrous and stupid argument in sports, but you aren't alone in making it repeatedly.

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Richmond game showed Farleys warts. He never corrected them. Home playoff loss to a non scholarship team a few years later.

Insisting on playing qbs that can't throw. When you play a lot of games indoors that is just stupid.

There is 15 years of history to show the problems as to why Uni will never get over the top. If you are happy with a playoff game every couple years so be it.

Given the facilities and history Uni should expect a semi final appearance at least once every five years and if not get a new coach.

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Richmond game showed Farleys warts. He never corrected them. Home playoff loss to a non scholarship team a few years later.

Insisting on playing qbs that can't throw. When you play a lot of games indoors that is just stupid.

There is 15 years of history to show the problems as to why Uni will never get over the top. If you are happy with a playoff game every couple years so be it.

Given the facilities and history Uni should expect a semi final appearance at least once every five years and if not get a new coach.

Nonsense. Only NDSU has been able to do that, (with two different coaches, incidentally), and that's a RARITY.

They have the goods already in place with the players.

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I also thought that the new offensive coaches were supposed to be the big panacea? After two losses, apparently not, eh?

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How can coaches change the course of events on the field??? Are you really that ignorant??? By either the play they call or the defensive positioning they put them in....you obviously don't watch UNI football....we play the same prevent d at the end ofevery close game...which we uusually let the other team drive the field and score....hense...12 and 21....facts don't lie ban...how many games have we needed 1 first diwn and the game is over and we run it 3 straight times and punt.....also something that has not been brought up but was dumb...why challenge the sawyer QB sneak?? We were 5 inches short...complete waste of a challenge that could have been used later in game...if you can't get 5 inches with another sneak..you don't deserve to score..dumb challenge

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How can coaches change the course of events on the field??? Are you really that ignorant??? By either the play they call or the defensive positioning they put them in....you obviously don't watch UNI football....we play the same prevent d at the end ofevery close game...which we uusually let the other team drive the field and score....hense...12 and 21....facts don't lie ban...how many games have we needed 1 first diwn and the game is over and we run it 3 straight times and punt.....also something that has not been brought up but was dumb...why challenge the sawyer QB sneak?? We were 5 inches short...complete waste of a challenge that could have been used later in game...if you can't get 5 inches with another sneak..you don't deserve to score..dumb challenge

Sure, the coach calls the plays, etc, etc, but who EXECUTES THE PLAYS? No coach can change the course events on the field, AS THEY ARE HAPPENING. The best laid out plans do you no good without the goods (players) and/or execution.

As I said, if it was all coaching-which, yes, you are implying-then why do "genius" coaches flop at other schools (hmmm... players? execution?), and why can "non-geniuses" take up a thriving program and immediately be at the top of the heap? PLAYERS AND EXECUTION!

This isn't rocket science, and no amount of griping about coaches changes what happens when the ball is snapped.

Now who's ignant?

[Waverly_Panther]

Sure, the coach calls the plays, etc, etc, but who EXECUTES THE PLAYS? No coach can change the course events on the field, AS THEY ARE HAPPENING. The best laid out plans do you no good without the goods (players) and/or execution.

As I said, if it was all coaching-which, yes, you are implying-then why do "genius" coaches flop at other schools (hmmm... players? execution?), and why can "non-geniuses" take up a thriving program and immediately be at the top of the heap? PLAYERS AND EXECUTION!

This isn't rocket science, and no amount of griping about coaches changes what happens when the ball is snapped.

Now who's ignant?

Honestly, you are very ignorant if you don't understand that what is called by the coaches can affect the outcome of a game. I'm starting to wonder if you really understand team sports at all. For football, the coaches are deciding what plays are called or what defense we are lined up in. If those are wrong for the situation of the game or based on what the other team is doing, then that is on the coach to adjust and correct. Sure the players need to make the plays but sometimes they are hamstrung by what was called from the sideline which has no chance of success. I don't understand how you don't get this.

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Honestly, you are very ignorant if you don't understand that what is called by the coaches can affect the outcome of a game. I'm starting to wonder if you really understand team sports at all. For football, the coaches are deciding what plays are called or what defense we are lined up in. If those are wrong for the situation of the game or based on what the other team is doing, then that is on the coach to adjust and correct. Sure the players need to make the plays but sometimes they are hamstrung by what was called from the sideline which has no chance of success. I don't understand how you don't get this.

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Did I not say that in my first sentence above? Sorry, but that ignance falls on you, my boy, not me.

So, who executes the plays, and how does the other team affect that execution? How much can the coach change that execution?

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Did Ferentz suddenly discover his "genius" again this season? Where did it go the past few seasons? In remission?

[ProwlingPanther]

Harbaugh has the same players at Michigan that Brady Hoke did with the exception of Jake Rudock, who failed to impress at Iowa. Michigan is the scariest team in the Big Ten right now. The only real difference between this year and last year is the Head Coach, Jim Harbaugh. Urban Meyer had the same team as Luke Fickell. Only difference the Head Coach. Meyer has lost 3 games in 3.5 years.

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Did Ferentz suddenly discover his "genius" again this season? Where did it go the past few seasons? In remission?

Iowa plays in the big ten west, which is a joke. They avoid playing Michigan , Michigan St, and Ohio St. Lots of people would look good again with that schedule.

Coaching in football has a bigger influence on the game than any other sport because their are 11 guys on the field and the coach gets to offer his input on every single play.

I don't care about win streaks or any of that crap. Go deep into November or December or find somebody that can.

I also don't believe in supporting your team in bad times as a sign of being a fan. Lack of butts in seats is about the only thing that will force change when change is needed.

Look at Iowa state football if people would quit going to watch that crap they would probably have a new coach already. It is darn obvious Rhodes isn't the answer.

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Harbaugh has the same players at Michigan that Brady Hoke did with the exception of Jake Rudock, who failed to impress at Iowa. Michigan is the scariest team in the Big Ten right now. The only real difference between this year and last year is the Head Coach, Jim Harbaugh. Urban Meyer had the same team as Luke Fickell. Only difference the Head Coach. Meyer has lost 3 games in 3.5 years.

Rudock and CJB's numbers are actually pretty identical through the same point of last season with Jake.

This is a great example of how a coach changing how things are done isn't always completely visible but makes a huge difference - since Kirk was brought up.

Kirk has changed the way he/the program does a lot of things this year. Jake and CJB have nearly identical stats though the same number of games (year to year). The difference is Ferentz is allowing the offense to use new wrinkles. He's allowing trick plays every now and then. He's allowing the offense to not be predictable. He's not putting the defense into prevent mode anytime they have a lead. Farley and Ferentz, in all reality, have been nearly the same coach for the last decade. The difference this year is Ferentz is letting his assistants have more freedom to change things when/where they need it. It's a massive change. Watching Iowa games this year looks nothing like watching Iowa games of past years. Formations are similar but it's a completely different attitude and approach.

That's the issue with Farley. He can recruit talent with anyone. The reason UNI has won like it has the last few years, even with the garbage play calling (offense and defense), is because talent wise the only team with equal or better talent (top to bottom) has been NDSU or ISUr. The talent that is in this program right now is crazy. It's always been crazy. The issue is not letting the talent be used properly

This team was at it's best between 05-09 when Farley wasn't touching the offense. I've worked with, and/or talked extensively due to my job, with former players (not to name drop but guys like De'Veon Harris, Brannon Carter, Eric Sanders, Jarred Herring, and some guys that didn't see the field much) that would all say the same thing. "When the assistants were in control in the first three quarters everything was fine - both offense and defense. If things were tight in the fourth quarter Farley took complete control of everything and started changing play calls, schemes, rotations, etc... which is where all of the issues came in and directly caused many close losses. Players were being asked to learn and implement a new scheme on the fly in the fourth quarter."

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Did Ferentz suddenly discover his "genius" again this season? Where did it go the past few seasons? In remission?

Now your ignorance is really coming through....Ferentz is coaching for his job this year..he continously has been going for it on 4th downs....all my Hawkeye friends are calling him Ferentz 2.0.....you are struggling today ban

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Ban, I don't usually find as much to nitpick about your posts, but this is an exception. Are you telling me that Dan Gable had nothing to do with the execution on the mat of Iowa wrestlers during the 80s and 90s?

[ProwlingPanther]

Rudock and CJB's numbers are actually pretty identical through the same point of last season with Jake.

This is a great example of how a coach changing how things are done isn't always completely visible but makes a huge difference - since Kirk was brought up.

Kirk has changed the way he/the program does a lot of things this year. Jake and CJB have nearly identical stats though the same number of games (year to year). The difference is Ferentz is allowing the offense to use new wrinkles. He's allowing trick plays every now and then. He's allowing the offense to not be predictable. He's not putting the defense into prevent mode anytime they have a lead.

Farley and Ferentz, in all reality, have been nearly the same coach for the last decade. The difference this year is Ferentz is letting his assistants have more freedom to change things when/where they need it. It's a massive change. Watching Iowa games this year looks nothing like watching Iowa games of past years. Formations are similar but it's a completely different attitude and approach.

That's the issue with Farley. He can recruit talent with anyone. The reason UNI has won like it has the last few years, even with the garbage play calling (offense and defense), is because talent wise the only team with equal or better talent (top to bottom) has been NDSU or ISUr. The talent that is in this program right now is crazy. It's always been crazy. The issue is not letting the talent be used properly

Mentioned Ruddock not as a shot at Ferentz, just stating factual differences between this year and last years Michigan teams. Anyone that knows football knows that Ferentz has made changes in his decision making/coaching style this year. Opposite of what Farley has done. I feel like Ferentz has heard the grumbling and the fans have voiced their displeasure by not buying season tickets. Kudos to him for adjusting his style. CJB and Ruddocks stats might be similar but CJBs athleticism and arm strength have added new dimensions to the Iowa offense. It has certainly helped their running game. Enough Halk talk though. That wasn't my intent and I am not a hawkeye fan.