Honest question

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I'm really sorry for the quotes of ban.



Maybe if you had been trolling the Illinois St. thread you'd see that a lot of blame was put on Aaron Bailey not playing well and the receivers dropping a ton of passes, in addition to the criticism of not playing Sawyer before the 4Q.

Also if you had ever ventured into a basketball thread anytime in the past few years (please don't though, at least some place on this site has to remain clean of your asinine logic) you'd see this isn't even close to the case. Coach Jacobson and his players have been both criticized and praised time and again for their successes and failures. Last year Jake, Tuttle and many others were all recognized as huge parts of our success. Particularly Jacobson for recognizing an error in his coaching from the year prior and correcting it. Tuttle and many others were praised for their fantastic job of executing the coaches gameplans and the effort they showed in all of our games. This holds true for the year before when Jacobson was criticized for getting away from his "defense first" philosophy and going for a more "up-tempo" style. This, combined with some lackluster play and execution at times, caused plenty of criticism aimed at the coaches and players alike.

All of that sure sounds like the praise and criticism is distributed fairly.



If you really believe that criticizing decisions and questioning why an elite FCS program has been "underperforming" recently, constitutes as not being loyal to UNI then that's on you for being naive. Blind fanaticism does not make you holier-than-thou it just makes you more foolish-than-thou. Don't tell me I have to point out examples of that kind of thinking going awry in history.

Then why are so many arguing with my point?

We gotta big ol', boo-yah for that one, boys?

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If you really believe that criticizing decisions and questioning why an elite FCS program has been "underperforming" recently, constitutes as not being loyal to UNI then that's on you for being naive. Blind fanaticism does not make you holier-than-thou it just makes you more foolish-than-thou. Don't tell me I have to point out examples of that kind of thinking going awry in history.

So, am I to just pull my love for my team because I'm not having things my way?

Sounds like a fairweather fan to us folks who were raised in Minnesota.

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Your argument makes no sense. Look at last season. We lost to a bunch of below average teams that we should have beaten because the coaches were not giving David Johnson the ball enough. Then, we start winning against good teams like NDSU and Illinois St. when we give David 25+ touches per game and let him return kicks. What changed? The playcalling did. The players didn't change, it was the coaching philosophy that did.

Maybe, but why did we lose in the playoffs when Johnson was carrying the ball a lot?

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Careful...ban is going to play the bullying card soon!!!

How so? Have I threatened anyone?

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Ban.....explain 12 and 21 since 2009 in close games....you keep talking around this issue...facts are facts

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What guarantees that the kicker is going to make the field goal?

PLAYER(S) EXECUTION and coaches.

So the fact that they didn't understand that the other team could stop the clock three times was the players fault? So even if said kicker had hit the field goal and they are still able to be tied by a last minute drive because of poor playcalling that's on the players, right? You do get that a FG wouldn't have put the game away, right? If that were the case, no one (including me) would have been complaining about it. It's playing not to lose - again.

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Ban.....explain 12 and 21 since 2009 in close games....you keep talking around this issue...facts are facts

Are you implying that that is SOLELY due to coaches? Interceptions, fumbles, penalties, and player execution played no role in that record?

If not, which I would hope that you'd say, then why are you arguing with me?

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So, am I to just pull my love for my team because I'm not having things my way?

Sounds like a fairweather fan to us folks who were raised in Minnesota.

I would argue that it's the opposite; some people love this team so much that they don't want to see them continually underachieve and blow games they shouldn't. We want the kids to do so well that we're mad when poor coaching decisions/scheming rob them of that opportunity. I felt bad for our D that we did the same old prevent at the end of the game Saturday that we always do in those situations. They had earned the right to play them straight up and finish the game at that point, and the coaching strategy robbed them of that.

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So the fact that they didn't understand that the other team could stop the clock three times was the players fault? So even if said kicker had hit the field goal and they are still able to be tied by a last minute drive because of poor playcalling that's on the players, right? You do get that a FG wouldn't have put the game away, right? If that were the case, no one (including me) would have been complaining about it. It's playing not to lose - again.

Players gotta execute, on both sides of the ball. I'm assuming, however, that if David Johnson was the back and that same play calling was happening you'd have no complaints, right? PLAYER EXECUTION.

Also, nowhere in your scenario did I read about the coaches being on the field. Did I miss that part?

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Are you implying that that is SOLELY due to coaches? Interceptions, fumbles, penalties, and player execution played no role in that record?

If not, which I would hope that you'd say, then why are you arguing with me?

That's the whole issue with any thread you're in on this subject. Nobody has ever put the blame SOLELY on the coaches, but you continue to beat that drum as though they're doing that. You're essentially arguing with a fan base you've invented in your mind. I guess we could leave you to argue with that pretend person/people and we'd all be a lot happier.

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I would argue that it's the opposite; some people love this team so much that they don't want to see them continually underachieve and blow games they shouldn't. We want the kids to do so well that we're mad when poor coaching decisions/scheming rob them of that opportunity. I felt bad for our D that we did the same old prevent at the end of the game Saturday that we always do in those situations. They had earned the right to play them straight up and finish the game at that point, and the coaching strategy robbed them of that.

Then who suffers for your tempter tantrum because you don't have the coach that you want? The athletes, who work their butts off and deserve appreciation, win or lose.

Sorry, but in Minnesota, we were taught to root for the hometown, through thick and thin and I'll NEVER apologize for that.

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Players gotta execute, on both sides of the ball. I'm assuming, however, that if David Johnson was the back and that same play calling was happening you'd have no complaints, right? PLAYER EXECUTION.

Also, nowhere in your scenario did I read about the coaches being on the field. Did I miss that part?

Of course we'd have a problem with that playcalling, no matter who the running back was, because it's FUNDAMENTALLY FLAWED and PLAYING NOT TO LOSE INSTEAD OF TO WIN.

As I said earlier, ay-yi-yi.

You're weird.

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That's the whole issue with any thread you're in on this subject. Nobody has ever put the blame SOLELY on the coaches, but you continue to beat that drum as though they're doing that. You're essentially arguing with a fan base you've invented in your mind. I guess we could leave you to argue with that pretend person/people and we'd all be a lot happier.

Really? So, why does all of the blame for a loss go onto the coaches and all of the accolades for a win go to the players, which Gary Rima often says?

Why do people believe that a coaching change is the ONLY remedy for losing "woes," even though ours is only two straight?

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Then who suffers for your tempter tantrum because you don't have the coach that you want? The athletes, who work their butts off and deserve appreciation, win or lose.

Sorry, but in Minnesota, we were taught to root for the hometown, through thick and thin and I'll NEVER apologize for that.

You're assuming that someone can't root for the home team and still be analytical and offer constructive criticism for the team's problems. Until you realize that logic like that is fundamentally flawed, there's no talking to you. Have fun.

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Of course we'd have a problem with that playcalling, no matter who the running back was, because it's FUNDAMENTALLY FLAWED and PLAYING NOT TO LOSE INSTEAD OF TO WIN.

As I said earlier, ay-yi-yi.

You're weird.

No, I don't think so, as someone on here just said to me that the only reason why we started winning last year was because they were giving Johnson the ball more. So, I can only conclude that if the coaches DIDN'T give the ball to Johnson on those downs, everyone would be screaming and yowling for a coaching change.

Weird for having a more holistic perspective? If that's weird, then strike me down, Lord, for I am weird. But I'll sure sleep well at night for being able to see the whole picture.