Honest question

[havok58]

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Why do you think he hasn't been able to run his system? He will be back. Stupidest post of the year. Let's give him a chance.

Do you think Davis has been able to run his own offense? It's not about us giving him a chance. I think all the fans want to see his offense, similar to the one in the spring game. But will Farley give him the chance. Don't know about that, especially if what was said about him during the Grundy Center scrimmage post.

I would like to see Davis stay and have more control and say on the offense. If he can't, then I see him leaving for a school that will let him run his show.

[vbfan19]

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people named Davis don't exactly have a history of being happy/successful in the UNI offense under Farley

[TravelingPanther]

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I don't believe the rules allow you to answer yourself.

When did I answer myself?

[ronfitch]

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If Davis' offense runs at the pace we saw in the second half yesterday, the defensive players are going to have to start conditioning as if for a triatholon. Two quick TDs and the defense was out there a lot, and looking tired (understandably) by the middle of the fourth.

[havok58]

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Davis wants to run an uptempo no-huddle offense. That supposedly keeps the defense off guard and guessing. And if it works, it should result in quick scores.

Our defense should be conditioned better if they will be on the field longer, but that will be on them. If the defense gets put into a good position by coaching, and the players making plays, they should be able to hold the opposing offense to a 3 and out (ideally) and get off the field again.

[vbfan19]

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If Davis' offense runs at the pace we saw in the second half yesterday, the defensive players are going to have to start conditioning as if for a triatholon. Two quick TDs and the defense was out there a lot, and looking tired (understandably) by the middle of the fourth.

that's the drawback of quick tempo offenses. especially ineffective quick tempo offenses (3-and-outs) and on the opposite end of the spectrum when they bust their first play for a score.

plus, NDSU's bread and butter is dominating the time of possession anyway and wearing down opposing defenses.

[jegbomb52]

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Because I watched the spring game versus this season. Definitely not the same.

Ask Scott Frost...

From my NSA monitored nexus 5

Frost has been very complimentary of his time under Mark Farley and has done so quite publicly...

[Mudrafan]

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Someone brought up Scott Frost. Scott Frost was NEVER planning on staying here more than a couple years. That's not a fair comparison at all.

It was brought up in a general context of not holding onto coaches as just one example out of many. Most of this has to do with the nature of FCS...with a dash of "MF hard on coaches sprinkled in".

[Trapped in California]

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I was the person that brought up Scott Frost. I recall that after a playoff loss at home to Richmond, he was sighted you strolling out of the building (walking off into the sunset, as it were.) As cited here

After UNI lost to Richmond in the semi-finals, I was standing down on the field with the some friends just a few minutes after the game. Maybe 10 minutes.

Frost came walking out of the NE tunnel with a backpack on and walked straight across the Dome floor to the south doors.

It struck me as very odd. His team just lost the semi's. He had players in the locker room who I'm sure were hugely disappointed. The game had just ended...and he was outta there. He left to Oregon shortly after.

Pretty telling I thought.

This job meant nothing to Frost except for being a resume builder. I'm surprised he even stayed the second year.

I have no special inside knowledge of the program machinations. I am certain that there are plenty of peaks and valleys in the course of a week, let alone a season. That said, the basic premise of the question is the following:

1. Farley came to the realization that the offense needed a change.
2. Farley hired a OC with a very distinctive game philosophy (demonstrated by past tape and spring game).
3. It is heavily implied that Farley had a change of heart somewhere in the process. Exact reasons are not verifiable, but could be any combination of the following:
   • Simple discomfort with changes (by Farley)
   • Not having QB skill set to run the offense
   • Not having the WR skill set to run the offense
   • Coaching staff turnover has had bigger impact than commonly realized
   • Coach Davis made all of these changes by himself, unprompted (least likely)

It's probably not simply a backtracking by Farley on changing the offensive philosophy. Whatever it is, it appears to me that we are running much the same playbook as last year, replacing a NFL quality RB/H Back with the idea that we will huddle up less.

[Born-a-Panther]

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My whole point with Frost is that he didn't leave because of Farley. He left to take the next step up - which was always his plan. I worked with Frost - I like Frost. I have nothing against him at all. As jegbomb pointed out, he's been nothing but complimentary of his time under Farley since he left.

[SteinPizza]

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Do you think Davis has been able to run his own offense? It's not about us giving him a chance. I think all the fans want to see his offense, similar to the one in the spring game. But will Farley give him the chance. Don't know about that, especially if what was said about him during the Grundy Center scrimmage post.

I would like to see Davis stay and have more control and say on the offense. If he can't, then I see him leaving for a school that will let him run his show.

If Farley truly was caught off guard by the up tempo nature of Davis' scheme, then shame on him for not doing his homework. He should have watch multiple game films, talked to coaches who competed against Shippensburg, etc. it would astound me if Farley didn't do this basic research on such an important hire. Not saying BC is wrong with his/her assertions about Grundy Center, just that either way, something doesn't add up.

[95UNIGRAD]

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If Farley truly was caught off guard by the up tempo nature of Davis' scheme, then shame on him for not doing his homework. He should have watch multiple game films, talked to coaches who competed against Shippensburg, etc. it would astound me if Farley didn't do this basic research on such an important hire. Not saying BC is wrong with his/her assertions about Grundy Center, just that either way, something doesn't add up.

I don't think being caught off guard was the case at all. I think this came down to what he related about the scrimmage, and Farley's worries about guys picking up the scheme correctly. He could have had every intention of letting him run things, but was mortified by what he saw at that scrimmage, and was worried about it costing them their job. Maybe his worries were justified, maybe they weren't, but if he saw guys not running correct routes or missing blocking assignments, maybe he felt a guy who could elude and get out of trouble would be best to counter those problems. Who knows? Doesn't really answer the question of why the spring game went so well, though.

[ban basketball]

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Just reading the nonsense on 99% of this thread I continue to be fascinated at how my posts are considered to be the highest, most dangerous posts that panther nation has ever seen.

My goodness, it just reinforces how sane and learned my views are.

[SteinPizza]

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I don't think being caught off guard was the case at all. I think this came down to what he related about the scrimmage, and Farley's worries about guys picking up the scheme correctly. He could have had every intention of letting him run things, but was mortified by what he saw at that scrimmage, and was worried about it costing them their job. Maybe his worries were justified, maybe they weren't, but if he saw guys not running correct routes or missing blocking assignments, maybe he felt a guy who could elude and get out of trouble would be best to counter those problems. Who knows? Doesn't really answer the question of why the spring game went so well, though.

That wasn't the context of BCPanther's story, if I remember correctly. The Grundy Center situation was about Farley not liking the tempo, not mistakes. Mistakes will happen when implementing anything new, and they'll happen in large numbers. Farley would know this.

[95UNIGRAD]

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That wasn't the context of BCPanther's story, if I remember correctly. The Grundy Center situation was about Farley not liking the tempo, not mistakes. Mistakes will happen when implementing anything new, and they'll happen in large numbers. Farley would know this.

Fair enough. Maybe he just abandoned things too early...old coach set in his ways?