Dunne Time?

[Trapped in California]

Pat Grace could sling the ball and he did not look to run on every snap.

Grace threw 36 TDs and 15 INTs and gained over 4,500 yards passing as a Panther, mainly in 2 seasons.

He also pretty much a d bag, but d bag with lighting in his arm.

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[panther1]

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He also pretty much a d bag, but d bag with lighting in his arm.

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Agreed. 10

[Trapped in California]

Dual threat implies ou can't pass. Very rare to have a qb that can do both equally well. If a qb exists that can do that no way do they end up at uni.

A couple show up every year. Kapernick at Nevada, Russell Wilson when at Wisconsin, Vince Young. Most were simply the most athletic guy on the field, so could seats relay on the legs to get out of a jamb.

Eric Sanders barely could make it to the new line of scrimmage after the clock reset, but he sure made a bunch of people look better when passing.

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[06panther10]

A couple show up every year. Kapernick at Nevada, Russell Wilson when at Wisconsin, Vince Young. Most were simply the most athletic guy on the field, so could seats relay on the legs to get out of a jamb.

Eric Sanders barely could make it to the new line of scrimmage after the clock reset, but he sure made a bunch of people look better when passing.

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Sanders was a good runner. I remember using him on designed QB runs and option plays quite a bit and it was effective. He was pretty mobile, IMO.

[ProwlingPanther]

I always considered Sanders a pretty mobile QB

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[vbfan19]

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Sanders was a good runner. I remember using him on designed QB runs and option plays quite a bit and it was effective. He was pretty mobile, IMO.

He didn't run near as often as these "dual threat" guys, but he could scramble when needed, and the occasional option or QB run was used quite effectively from time to time.

His rushing stats (keep in mind that in college, sacks count as rushing play by the QB for negative yards):
2004: 56 rushes for 171 yards (212 gained, 41 lost)
2005: 88 rushes for 79 yards (316 gained, 237 lost)
2006: 74 rushes for 211 yards (369 gained, 158 lost)
2007: 86 rushes for 106 yards (275 gained, 169 lost)

[SteinPizza]

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Sanders was a good runner. I remember using him on designed QB runs and option plays quite a bit and it was effective. He was pretty mobile, IMO.

Correct, he was pretty elusive. Bailey is probably way more of a breakaway threat as a runner, but Sanders had the ability to keep plays alive and gain yardage with his feet. I remember Sanders being smart and efficient with his throws, but he definetely was not a big armed, immobile packet passer like that post seems to suggest.

[Trapped in California]

Sanders is more elusive, more like the EWU starter (or possibly like Alex Smith @ KC). Never viewed as a second or third RB on the field.

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[ubuntuCAT]

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Sanders is more elusive, more like the EWU starter (or possibly like Alex Smith @ KC). Never viewed as a second or third RB on the field.

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Sanders was "elusive" because he completed 75% of his passes and had great o-line, receivers, running backs. When he ran it was cuz opponents had committed to stopping everything else (because he could pick them apart).

[claw]

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Sanders was "elusive" because he completed 75% of his passes and had great o-line, receivers, running backs. When he ran it was cuz opponents had committed to stopping everything else (because he could pick them apart).

Grace also played with Victor William, Johnny Grey, Corey Lewis, Ryan Mahaffey, Schuylar Oordt and had an OL that featured Bob Swift, Austin Howard, Austin Steichen who were all All Conference/All American OL.

If you'd take a deep dive of Grace V Rennie V Bailey and look at the offensive talent around them and the ability to make plays from that you'd see they really aren't all that different.

Also consider Grace was a major factor in how fast 09 went downhill with the level of douche that spewed from him and how he treated teammates.

[panther1]

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Grace also played with Victor William, Johnny Grey, Corey Lewis, Ryan Mahaffey, Schuylar Oordt and had an OL that featured Bob Swift, Austin Howard, Austin Steichen who were all All Conference/All American OL.

If you'd take a deep dive of Grace V Rennie V Bailey and look at the offensive talent around them and the ability to make plays from that you'd see they really aren't all that different.

Also consider Grace was a major factor in how fast 09 went downhill with the level of douche that spewed from him and how he treated teammates.

You make good points above. Are we not getting those recruits now though on offense because of the gradual shift in philosophy? UNI was a well oiled offensive machine from Allen all the way through 2008 (even the Dunbar teams were explosive on offense) mixing the run and pass. If I were a high profile receiver prospect, UNI is off my list after watching the past 7+ years of running QBs.

[SteinPizza]

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What you guys are all talking about is a change in scheme/philosophy. That won't happen while Bailey is here. Nothing against him, but the option like game UNI runs is suited to him. The problem is it leads to a somewhat difficient passing attack, and as Trapped pointed out, guys who do both really well at the college level are rare. You guys all want to revert back to a more pro style offense. I understand, but that's not happening this year no matter what.

That said, Bailey is a better passer than Rennie, and WAY better than Carnes.

[dan_beeding]

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Farley talked a little about how it's harder to get recruits to come here for less when NDSU/SDSU are offering them full or close to full rides. I'm sure that has a bit to do with the talent level as well.

[ubuntuCAT]

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Grace also played with Victor William, Johnny Grey, Corey Lewis, Ryan Mahaffey, Schuylar Oordt and had an OL that featured Bob Swift, Austin Howard, Austin Steichen who were all All Conference/All American OL.

If you'd take a deep dive of Grace V Rennie V Bailey and look at the offensive talent around them and the ability to make plays from that you'd see they really aren't all that different.

Also consider Grace was a major factor in how fast 09 went downhill with the level of douche that spewed from him and how he treated teammates.

I don't think the surrounding talent has been much different from when Sanders played. Sanders was incredible at utilizing that talent in my opinion.

[claw]

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I don't think the surrounding talent has been much different from when Sanders played. Sanders was incredible at utilizing that talent in my opinion.

So you don't think the talent level on offense now is behind where it was in 07?