Fire Farley

[ronfitch]

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I blame TA for all of this. Had he not taken the plunge of death at KU we would have a couple titles in the bag and Farley would be the greatest D.C. ever and the greatest coach ever (Walt Klinker) would still be the character this program needs.

And I get called old on this forum.

Had friends who played for Klinker on the line and absolutely loved the guy. Developed some of the best lines and linemen at UNI.

[claw]

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OK, I get your point. I too miss the UNI QB's of the past, and think it odd to build a team that is not able to take advantage of your home field's characteristics. I'm not familiar with Harris, other than that he came from ISU, but I suppose the issue is how much leeway does a new young AD give an old veteran coach. My guess is quite a bit, up to the point where attendance and donations start falling.

This weekend might not be the best indicator of attendance because it's family weekend but if we don't see 14,000+ this weekend it's a massive indicator. Go look at previous family weekend games. The way this season is going the SDSU game on senior day will make the Lehigh playoff game look well attended.

For FW refence
2015: 13,224 - team was 4-4 (2-3) going into the game (ISUb was 4-5)
2014: 15,049 - team was 3-3 (1-2) going into the game (SDSU was 4-2)
2013: 15,960 - team was 1-0 (0-0) going into the game (Drake was 0-1)
2012: 16,008 - team was 1-3 (0-1) going into the game (NDSU was 3-0)
2011: 16,059 - team was 1-1 (0-0) going into the game (WIU was 1-2)

There's a pretty damn noticeable drop off for last year. That would be 2 years in a row of horrid attendance for a family weekend game. It would be directly tied to results and how bad the team (offense) looks and the apathy around it.

Homecoming drew just 13,700 - that's a big drop from previous years. We had only 12,000 for freaking Montana the week after beating Iowa State when fans still had hope.

We are spiraling, quickly, into the "dark ages" for UNI football.

Harris likely doesn't plan on being here forever, maybe a half decade. I doubt as long as Dannen was. He wants to get back to the SEC. He wants to run an SEC department. He isn't going to sit here for a decade and have programs recess on his watch simply because "he's too new to make a change of a long time coach". I'm not saying he's going to fire Farley, but I'm going to say he isn't going to be afraid to apply heat to make sure changes get made and if they don't I have zero doubt he'd be willing to make a move. He needs to prove he can make the right call on coaching changes and hires to get "bigger" jobs.

[Cap'n Cat]

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And I get called old on this forum.

Had friends who played for Klinker on the line and absolutely loved the guy. Developed some of the best lines and linemen at UNI.

Most influential man in my life.



I think he would prefer an outdoor stadium, too.

[TravelingPanther]

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Most influential man in my life.



I think he would prefer an outdoor stadium, too.

Wait. What about me?

[95UNIGRAD]

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Wait. What about me?

Yeah, you'd probably want an outdoor stadium, too.

[TravelingPanther]

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Yeah, you'd probably want an outdoor stadium, too.

Well played.

[SteinPizza]

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I would argue that our offense the last 7-8 years is call for a special circumstances, especially our passing game. It's getting worse every year and nothing is being done about it. Either Farley needs to go or the offensive staff needs to go and we've seen Farley unwilling to make changes to the staff OR to how he handles it. He's shown an inability to make changes - scheme or staff to fix things.

Since Grace left campus our QBs are a combined 1,132-2,060 (55%) for 14,858 yards 106 touchdowns 62 picks. Those numbers are near the bottom of the conference over that time. Take Sawyer's numbers (the only true QB we've had since) out and it's REAL ugly. 642-1208 (52%) 8,597 yards 57 touchdowns 40 picks.

Those numbers, even with Sawyer, are hideous. Coupled with the downward spiral that goes well beyond just raw passing numbers and there is no way to not look at it as a special circumstance.

Thanks for the research. You're correct, those numbers are pretty bad, especially the completion percentage. The INT to TD ratio is bad too. I'm Captain Obvious here to state you have to be a legit threat to throw in today's game to win. Those numbers show we haven't been.

I disagree though that those constitute special circumstances for a firing. Harris could look at them and argue with Farley that change on O is needed, but he's won enough to keep his job in the eyes of most administrators.

[95UNIGRAD]

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It really is amazing how many wins Farley has piled up despite our offense's very obvious shortcomings. Oh, what could have been (or could be) if he would just let someone else come in and develop a passing game.

[arealcat]

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Probably hard for somebody to develop a passing game when the head coach determines who gets to play QB and those players haven't been able to pass.

[95UNIGRAD]

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Probably hard for somebody to develop a passing game when the head coach determines who gets to play QB and those players haven't been able to pass.

Of course, part of letting someone develop a passing game is letting them have input as to who would be best for the job.

If he can't cede that control, then it's time for him to go.

[7YrsOfCollegeDownTheDrain]

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I really think if we would have had 4 healthy years out of Sawyer it may have been some of the best UNI football. Early in his career he was border-line great and he was surrounded by a lot of talent.

I hope we get an extended look at Dunne. I think we have a good running game and the WR's to make plays. A return to a balanced offense would be welcome.

[CincyPanther88]

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Would guess that most good HC candidates would look poorly on an AD directly firing assistants, absent special circumstances.

One would think that a good HC candidate would want to bring in his own assistants.

[ronfitch]

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I really think if we would have had 4 healthy years out of Sawyer it may have been some of the best UNI football. Early in his career he was border-line great and he was surrounded by a lot of talent.

I hope we get an extended look at Dunne. I think we have a good running game and the WR's to make plays. A return to a balanced offense would be welcome.

Kollmorgen had such a great freshman season.

The thought of a healthy Kollmorgen throwing to Vereen and LeMaster and Rohr with Johnson running and catching out of the backfield made 2013 look like it was going to be a return to a balanced offense with very strong skill positions.

Injuries to several derailed that scenario in a hurry.

[SteinPizza]

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One would think that a good HC candidate would want to bring in his own assistants.

Exactly. The assistants make or break your program through recruiting and developing players. The only reason assistants stick around is usually due to recruiting related networks of people they know that the new HC deems to be important.

[Mudrafan]

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I blame TA for all of this. Had he not taken the plunge of death at KU we would have a couple titles in the bag and Farley would be the greatest D.C. ever and the greatest coach ever(Walt Klinker) would still be the character this program needs.

I completely agree with this