Fire Farley

[Panburger Partner]

Re: Fire Farley

Not only is Farley's decision to use this style of offense hurting us on the field, it seems to be hurting fan attendance and engagement as well. Even if we were winning with this offense, it is just plain boring to watch and makes me consider at times if the price of admission is worth it to watch a boring football game, and many others I have been in touch with share the same sentiment. We have an indoor stadium with a fast track that is perfectly designed for a potent passing attack, why not use it to our advantage and recruit kids who fit that system? I can't speak for everyone, but having an offense that could throw it around all day was one of the things that drew me into being a UNI fan back when they actually did that with success.

[BCPanther]

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Not only is Farley's decision to use this style of offense hurting us on the field, it seems to be hurting fan attendance and engagement as well. Even if we were winning with this offense, it is just plain boring to watch and makes me consider at times if the price of admission is worth it to watch a boring football game, and many others I have been in touch with share the same sentiment. We have an indoor stadium with a fast track that is perfectly designed for a potent passing attack, why not use it to our advantage and recruit kids who fit that system? I can't speak for everyone, but having an offense that could throw it around all day was one of the things that drew me into being a UNI fan back when they actually did that with success.

You always knew the big play was coming, it wasn't an if, it was a when.

That is gone and its turned into boring, predictable, mediocre football.

[SteinPizza]

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You always knew the big play was coming, it wasn't an if, it was a when.

That is gone and its turned into boring, predictable, mediocre football.

The weird thing is, Farley's staff has shown the ability to recruit and develop WRs who can make plays at this level. Several of them, in fact. I've never been able to quite square up the ground based QB offense with that.

[ronfitch]

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The weird thing is, Farley's staff has shown the ability to recruit and develop WRs who can make plays at this level. Several of them, in fact. I've never been able to quite square up the ground based QB offense with that.

Seems like it has been a long time since WRs were a big part of the offense at UNI.

In perspective, for post-season conference recognition ...

Kevin Veeren was second team MVFC in 2013

DJ Hord was honorable mention MVFC in 2010;

and the last first team MVFC WR was Johnny Gray in 2007.

[SteinPizza]

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Seems like it has been a long time since WRs were a big part of the offense at UNI.

In perspective, for post-season conference recognition ...

Kevin Veeren was second team MVFC in 2013

DJ Hord was honorable mention MVFC in 2010;

and the last first team MVFC WR was Johnny Gray in 2007.

You can also toss in guys like LeMaster, etc. A healthy LeMaster, and Vereen would've put up far bigger numbers had they had better pure throwers at QB. That's not to say we would've won a NC...that's an absurd stretch. My point is that these guys were playmakers at this level, despite playing in an offense that didn't compliment their skill set. Daurice Foutain is joining that list too.

Nothing against the QBs in question. Rinnie, Carnes, Bailey...all gamers. But, none of them had/have the ability to sling it that matched the upside of some of the WRs around them.

[ronfitch]

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You can also toss in guys like LeMaster, etc. A healthy LeMaster, and Vereen would've put up far bigger numbers had they had better pure throwers at QB. That's not to say we would've won a NC...that's an absurd stretch. My point is that these guys were playmakers at this level, despite playing in an offense that didn't compliment their skill set. Daurice Foutain is joining that list too.

Nothing against the QBs in question. Rinnie, Carnes, Bailey...all gamers. But, none of them had/have the ability to sling it that matched the upside of some of the WRs around them.

Yeah, LeMaster and Vereen ... and a healthy Kollmorgen, too.

It can't be easy to recruit receivers to UNI right now, not to mention TEs.

[claw]

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You can also toss in guys like LeMaster, etc. A healthy LeMaster, and Vereen would've put up far bigger numbers had they had better pure throwers at QB. That's not to say we would've won a NC...that's an absurd stretch. My point is that these guys were playmakers at this level, despite playing in an offense that didn't compliment their skill set. Daurice Foutain is joining that list too.

Nothing against the QBs in question. Rinnie, Carnes, Bailey...all gamers. But, none of them had/have the ability to sling it that matched the upside of some of the WRs around them.

UNI has had WR with massive upside.

Fountain, Vereen, LeMaster, Owens, Sinkfield, Herring, Collins, and Turner have all been on the roster since 09. Some of them have had injuries that held them back (LeMaster). Some haven't been mature enough to handle being "the man" (Sinkfield). Herring and Collins were on the shorter side, but so was Johnny.

Common theme with all of these? The route trees and what seems to match what I asked about Salmon. All of the route trees are down field and outside the numbers. All while not having a QB that can make those throws.

[SteinPizza]

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UNI has had WR with massive upside.

Fountain, Vereen, LeMaster, Owens, Sinkfield, Herring, Collins, and Turner have all been on the roster since 09. Some of them have had injuries that held them back (LeMaster). Some haven't been mature enough to handle being "the man" (Sinkfield). Herring and Collins were on the shorter side, but so was Johnny.

Common theme with all of these? The route trees and what seems to match what I asked about Salmon. All of the route trees are down field and outside the numbers. All while not having a QB that can make those throws.

Not all of those guys were potential difference makers, but you're directionally correct. I'm also not all in on buying the outside route stuff with Salmon. It just doesn't make sense to say it. However, if someone can link an actual quote, I won't pass out from astonishment either.

[BCPanther]

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TA, who Salmon learned a lot from, made his living throwing to the Tight End from the slot down the seam and on quick 10-15 yard outs. How both of these routes have completely disappeared from our offense is mind-boggling.

Can you imagine if we could have lined DJ up in a slot and run him down the seam against a linebacker? I mean, we would have had to have had a quarterback, but it would not have been stoppable.

[claw]

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Not all of those guys were potential difference makers, but you're directionally correct. I'm also not all in on buying the outside route stuff with Salmon. It just doesn't make sense to say it. However, if someone can link an actual quote, I won't pass out from astonishment either.

I've looked but can't find it. All I know is a caller on the post game call in show mentioned remembering hearing/reading it.

It sure as heck will make me watch where routes are run and passes are thrown more though. We all have said something to the effect of "more passes over the middle" for some time now. The, seemingly, lack of middle/shorter routes seems to add up with the attributed quote.

He'd have a point if looking only a YPR. However, completion % and YPA would have to more than equal out the difference in yards, right?

Let's say there are 100 passes thrown outside the numbers and the average distance in air is between 15-19 yards and the average completion is 20 yards (using rough/easy math numbers). Using google to I ofound a charge that broke down many FBS QBs and their accuracy at distance. The average for 15-19 yards was about 43%. That means over 100 throws would gain 860 yards.

Shrik the ball in air down to 5-9 yards for 100 throws with an average completion of 10 yards (again easy math numbers). The average completion rate of the same sample size was about 70%. That means 700 yards passing.

If this is how Bill thinks these numbers back it up - SEE 160 MORE YARDS OVER THE SAME NUMBER OF THROWS!

The issue is you've also completed 27 less passes. You've ended who knows how many other drives with those incompletions. You've gotten your quarterback hit who knows how many more times. Chances are the number of interceptions is higher. Football Perspective looked at the NFL over 13 seasons and over 100,000 passes and found that passes considered "short" meaning anything 14 yards or shorter from the LOS had an interception rate of about 1.7%. Passes more than 15 yards from the LOS had a rate of about 7.5. Passes over the middle had a higher rate of INT for the short and long throws, so that plays into Bill's potential thought pattern, especially on deep routes at over 8%. Short routes were just over 2%


I just....I don't get the love affair our offense has with the deep outside routes.

[run&blade]

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If you can't pass, throwing long over the top to the outside limits the interception possibilities.

Qb doesn't have to read coverage. Drop back and chuck it. Uni wouldn't be where it's at today without it. Ummmm well....ugh.

[SteinPizza]

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If you can't pass, throwing long over the top to the outside limits the interception possibilities.

Qb doesn't have to read coverage. Drop back and chuck it. Uni wouldn't be where it's at today without it. Ummmm well....ugh.

Once again, R&B is directionally correct. If all you do is throw outside the hash marks, you are in effect taking away a lot of the variations a coordinator could throw at you. But, you are insanely one dimensional. And, the sideline is in effect an extra defender. That's why I'd be a little surprised if Salmon actually thought that way.

[Blue42]

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Took a look at the updated league stats on the MVFC Web site.

We remain dead last in passing yards, passing efficiency, completion percentage and red zone offense.

Hard to believe.

[run&blade]

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Took a look at the updated league stats on the MVFC Web site.

We remain dead last in passing yards, passing efficiency, completion percentage and red zone offense.

Hard to believe.

Hmmmm I got a hankering for some Earle Bruce ball.

I would love to get Paup as head coach and see if he could get Terry Allen to come back and run the offense. Mike Zimmmer style, run the defense and hire excellent people for the offense and leave them alone.

[Blue42]

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Watching some SDSU vs NDSU this afternoon.

Taryn Christion from SDSU is the QB Farley wishes he had.

Great athlete, can run the ball, poised in the pocket and can throw a ball with touch.

Jacks are a good looking team.