Fire Farley

[SoccerDobber]

Few years ago, I was a guest of Troy Dannen for a noon meal at the Sunnyside Country Club. Not that I'm a heavyweight donor but had known Troy for a number of years. We sat across the room from a group of gentlemen that that morning had been guests of the football team at their preseason practice. An exclusive group I may add. Troy without using names gave a rough amount of the total the group had contributed specifically to the football team. The way Troy put it it was a group put together by Farley and Hartzell to keep football solvent.

After one of our games this year, Farley in the post game interview thanked this group for their support of UNI football. Not naming anyone saying "they know who they are and do not want special recognition but without their help annually there wouldn't be some of the things that happen for football."

You can say what you want, but until this group turns on Farley there is nothing anyone will do. I'm sure a few in this group when the outside audit was done a few years back said if football is dropped their support for UNI will stop. Because it was Hartzell and Farley that brought this group together their loyalty lays with Farley.

Again we can speculate on who the individuals are in this group, but as with most universities they are "unknown boosters" and want to keep it that way.

I'm sure AD Harris knows everyone of this group by their first name.

Interesting insight.

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[Mudrafan]

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I guess I incorrectly phrased it. It has been misutilization of the entire offense. I wasn't saying Carnes was the savior, I'm saying that we wouldn't have won anymore games those seasons using a "passing QB", since we won pretty much every game that Carnes played. Some people are saying we would have won a national championship those years if we had a passing QB, which definitely isn't true. When we had a passing QB in the game, the coaches couldn't figure out that letting the QB sling the ball around 30-40 times per game was not the most effective way of moving the ball.

I'm just pointing out that the problem was much deeper than the QB position. We did start giving DJ more touches as the offense switched to a running QB, but the passing game become almost a non-factor. When we had a passing QB, our run game wasn't nearly as good since we weren't giving DJ as many touches. There needs to be a balanced approach, something our offensive staff has not been able to consistently figure out. A couple of games we were on the right track, as Bailey had a couple of solid passing games and we had a couple games with Dunne where we had a nice running game. But then we have games like the SDSU one where we average 2.1 yards per carry and have 3 interceptions.

In the years we won w/ a running qb, we won due to the efforts of great defenses supported by great running games. The lack of passing kept us from progressing against teams that matched our great defense

[Blue42]

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Few years ago, I was a guest of Troy Dannen for a noon meal at the Sunnyside Country Club. Not that I'm a heavyweight donor but had known Troy for a number of years. We sat across the room from a group of gentlemen that that morning had been guests of the football team at their preseason practice. An exclusive group I may add. Troy without using names gave a rough amount of the total the group had contributed specifically to the football team. The way Troy put it it was a group put together by Farley and Hartzell to keep football solvent.

After one of our games this year, Farley in the post game interview thanked this group for their support of UNI football. Not naming anyone saying "they know who they are and do not want special recognition but without their help annually there wouldn't be some of the things that happen for football."

You can say what you want, but until this group turns on Farley there is nothing anyone will do. I'm sure a few in this group when the outside audit was done a few years back said if football is dropped their support for UNI will stop. Because it was Hartzell and Farley that brought this group together their loyalty lays with Farley.

Again we can speculate on who the individuals are in this group, but as with most universities they are "unknown boosters" and want to keep it that way.

I'm sure AD Harris knows everyone of this group by their first name.

I guess if you're suggesting we are essentially held hostage to having Farley as coach because we're relying on outside financial support that will only be there if Farley is coaching....

Well then I'd say we are in a precarious position.

And I much more understand why TD may have headed to Nawleans.

I also know I watched James Madison handle NDSU in the Fargo dome under a first year head coach last night. So theres some evidence that a change in HC can leap a program forward. That guy at JMU is making 20% less than MF...so we could afford a guy like that.

[Mudrafan]

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I guess if you're suggesting we are essentially held hostage to having Farley as coach because we're relying on outside financial support that will only be there if Farley is coaching....

Well then I'd say we are in a precarious position.

And I much more understand why TD may have headed to Nawleans.

I also know I watched James Madison handle NDSU in the Fargo dome under a first year head coach last night. So theres some evidence that a change in HC can leap a program forward. That guy at JMU is making 20% less than MF...so we could afford a guy like that.

If you are just discovering that FCS athletics is in a precarious position then all I can say is, where have you been? All are hanging by a thread

[Blue42]

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If you are just discovering that FCS athletics is in a precarious position then all I can say is, where have you been? All are hanging by a thread

That might be a little dramatic. There's 100 schools playing FCS football.

But I'm well aware of the overall financial model.

[Mudrafan]

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Dramatic? I don't think so

[panther1]

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I hope Farley is watching EWU vs. YSU on ESPNU. We lost to both of these teams unnecessarily, without a passing game at all. Both teams are averaging over 10 yards per pass attempt. In other words, both teams have terrible pass defense and we couldn't attack that weakness.

[claw]

Pelini just showed what a fraud Farley can be at times. That YSU team was missing 4 or 5 starters to suspension. That YSU team, top to bottom, is well below UNI, NDSU, SDSU in terms of overall talent. That YSU team was complete garbage through half the season. Pelini made a change to a QB he didn't want. To a QB that was more of a passer than a runner (Pelini wanted a runner). He allowed his staff more control over the team. Hey are now playing for a national title.

Maybe Farley should take some ****ing notes

[havok58]

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Pelini just showed what a fraud Farley can be at times. That YSU team was missing 4 or 5 starters to suspension. That YSU team, top to bottom, is well below UNI, NDSU, SDSU in terms of overall talent. That YSU team was complete garbage through half the season. Pelini made a change to a QB he didn't want. To a QB that was more of a passer than a runner (Pelini wanted a runner). He allowed his staff more control over the team. Hey are now playing for a national title.

Maybe Farley should take some ****ing notes

I agree, but who knows if Pelini will be like Farley and go back to Davis next season as the starter.

[northwest iowa panther]

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I guess if you're suggesting we are essentially held hostage to having Farley as coach because we're relying on outside financial support that will only be there if Farley is coaching....

Well then I'd say we are in a precarious position.

And I much more understand why TD may have headed to Nawleans.

I also know I watched James Madison handle NDSU in the Fargo dome under a first year head coach last night. So theres some evidence that a change in HC can leap a program forward. That guy at JMU is making 20% less than MF...so we could afford a guy like that.

By NCAA financial reporting for public schools and their own financial year ending statement for 2015, JMU's athletic budget is just under $45,000,000 ours is $20 m. JMU is the number one subsidized school in Division I at $35 million (mostly student fees from 20,000 enrolled). JMU spends quite a bit more on football than we do $8.2 million as compared to $2.89 (recruiting, staff salaries etc.) Both schools are fully funded at 63 scholarships which would be over $1 million.

Rick Hartzell has used the expression on occasion when AD and since he has left "football is the 800 lb. gorilla in the room." All of our coaches are expected to fundraise for their respective programs. The Big 10 has eliminated FCS games in the future and you can look for other Power 5's to do the same, Iowa legislature and BOR of regents wants the athletic department to be a self-sustaining auxiliary enterprise. If we are a to lose general fund money, that will be $4 million more to generate. How many of our state legislators (not many UNI grads in there) have in interest in keeping UNI athletics afloat? They all have matters in their own districts that are more important to them, mental health institutions, infrastructure repair, low income constituent needs, public schools, an aging population, on and on. Plus the republican controlled legislature have been elected based on pledges to reduce taxes and spending. Figure it out.

Brace yourselves people it's going to be a slippery bumpy ride and be careful for what you wish for . . . you may not like it. Changes are a cumin because that's what we want. Trump called Iowans idiots and we still voted for him.

[BCPanther]

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By NCAA financial reporting for public schools and their own financial year ending statement for 2015, JMU's athletic budget is just under $45,000,000 ours is $20 m. JMU is the number one subsidized school in Division I at $35 million (mostly student fees from 20,000 enrolled). JMU spends quite a bit more on football than we do $8.2 million as compared to $2.89 (recruiting, staff salaries etc.) Both schools are fully funded at 63 scholarships which would be over $1 million.

Rick Hartzell has used the expression on occasion when AD and since he has left "football is the 800 lb. gorilla in the room." All of our coaches are expected to fundraise for their respective programs. The Big 10 has eliminated FCS games in the future and you can look for other Power 5's to do the same, Iowa legislature and BOR of regents wants the athletic department to be a self-sustaining auxiliary enterprise. If we are a to lose general fund money, that will be $4 million more to generate. How many of our state legislators (not many UNI grads in there) have in interest in keeping UNI athletics afloat? They all have matters in their own districts that are more important to them, mental health institutions, infrastructure repair, low income constituent needs, public schools, an aging population, on and on. Plus the republican controlled legislature have been elected based on pledges to reduce taxes and spending. Figure it out.

Brace yourselves people it's going to be a slippery bumpy ride and be careful for what you wish for . . . you may not like it. Changes are a cumin because that's what we want. Trump called Iowans idiots and we still voted for him.

Wow, there's a lot here.

First, every other P5 and G5 league has said FCS games aren't going anywhere. I also think the Big 10 is going to throw an MVFC exemption in because of what us, NDSU and SDSU have done.

Second, there's actually a lot of legislative momentum for UNI. The Regents have finally acknowledged that UNI has consistently been underfunded and are working to correct that. They also realize that UNI is in a much different place with athletics. The subsidy isn't going anywhere. Plain and simple, if you think UNI is Lilly white now, take away athletic scholarships and it looks like every tiny town in Western Iowa.

Third, the election of Donald Trump has literally nothing to do with UNI athletic funding, but it fits your left leaning native, so have at it. (Note: I didn't vote for him either)

Lastly, I get that you have a personal relationship with Farley, that's great. He's a really good person, no one is saying he isn't, but he's now split 3 or 4 locker rooms in the past few years, there are legitimate questions about him going forward as a football coach. I get the financial situation, but he more or less gets what he wants at the expense of everything other than Men's Basketball. Pretty much every FCS program would kill for his resources. 5-6 is simply not acceptable here, nor is staying every year 2-4.

[in_the_stands]

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Just checking, so we are currently funding our 63 allotted scholarships? I'd been getting the overall impression we weren't, but did not know for sure.

[Mudrafan]

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I had heard we don't fill them all and let coaching openings sit forever. Also, scheduling is top heavy. Several scholarships are endowed and that is the best way to ensure long-term viability

[claw]

Just checking, so we are currently funding our 63 allotted scholarships? I'd been getting the overall impression we weren't, but did not know for sure.

Can we give 63. Yes
Do we give all 63? Rarely, if ever especially before fall camp. UNI is consistently in the 59 range, as is nearly every single program near the top of the nation. It leaves room from transfers, giving rides to walk in seniors after fall camp, saves a bit of money to be used elsewhere, etc...

Remember a few years ago when all Montana got hit for impermissible benefits over a couple hot dogs? They were cut back to 59 scholarships for like 3 years. Didn't phase them as they usually only give 57-58 per year.


The doom and gloom over athletic funding is run to read. It's been a while since that has reared its head. It's about time for people to freak out.

[Gocats15]

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Wow, there's a lot here.

First, every other P5 and G5 league has said FCS games aren't going anywhere. I also think the Big 10 is going to throw an MVFC exemption in because of what us, NDSU and SDSU have done.

Second, there's actually a lot of legislative momentum for UNI. The Regents have finally acknowledged that UNI has consistently been underfunded and are working to correct that. They also realize that UNI is in a much different place with athletics. The subsidy isn't going anywhere. Plain and simple, if you think UNI is Lilly white now, take away athletic scholarships and it looks like every tiny town in Western Iowa.

Third, the election of Donald Trump has literally nothing to do with UNI athletic funding, but it fits your left leaning native, so have at it. (Note: I didn't vote for him either)

Lastly, I get that you have a personal relationship with Farley, that's great. He's a really good person, no one is saying he isn't, but he's now split 3 or 4 locker rooms in the past few years, there are legitimate questions about him going forward as a football coach. I get the financial situation, but he more or less gets what he wants at the expense of everything other than Men's Basketball. Pretty much every FCS program would kill for his resources. 5-6 is simply not acceptable here, nor is staying every year 2-4.

The Big 10 is not going to make an MVFC exemption. I can say that with 100% certainty. FCS games look horrible for a team's playoff chances. The FBS Playoff Committee doesn't care that there are FCS teams that are better than MAC/Sun Belt teams. They see the words FCS program and immediately put that game a notch below any other possible opponent.

With only 3 OOC games, the Big 10 is trying to make sure every team has a good enough non-conference schedule to make the playoffs if they win the league. Playing FCS games does not help that, no matter what the result of the game is.