Fire Farley

[GonzoCat]

Re: Fire Farley

Sanders was a passing QB. The last 3 guys have been running QBs. We've never had a dual threat QB at UNI.

[in_the_stands]

Going 0-3 against the Dakotas last year, including getting thumped at home by the Jacks at the end, has really soured me. Waiting for some evidence that won't continue.

[claw]

Re: Fire Farley



True that.

These fellas on this board wallowing in over the top pessimism are doing nothing to help UNI football.

Yep. I'm the issue.
Not that fact that after 6 games we've been 2-4 in each and every single one of the last 5 years.
Not the fact we have as many seasons under .500 as playoff appearances the last 5 years
Not the fact that we have more seasons missing the playoffs than making the playoffs the last 5 years
Not the fact that outside if DJ didn't wear purple and gold we probably don't have a playoff bid since 2011 and at least one or two more seasons under .500

I'm the issue with the fan base. I'm the issue with the football program. My season tickets and donations are the issue with the football program. Nevermind that the only thing (literally) that hasn't changed with the program in the last 5 years in the person running it and the issues are still as bad as they've ever been. GMAFB


This team has as much/more talent than any team in the conference on it's roster. Do you honestly believe it will be used properly? If so, other than blind homerism, please explain why. Great, the new assistants are full of social media fire and seem excited in front of little kids and their family. Fantastic. They haven't actually had to coach a season with Farley yet.

Hey, maybe Farley changes....for the first time in 30 years. It could happen, right?

[UNIdad]

Yep. I'm the issue.
Not that fact that after 6 games we've been 2-4 in each and every single one of the last 5 years.
Not the fact we have as many seasons under .500 as playoff appearances the last 5 years
Not the fact that we have more seasons missing the playoffs than making the playoffs the last 5 years
Not the fact that outside if DJ didn't wear purple and gold we probably don't have a playoff bid since 2011 and at least one or two more seasons under .500

I'm the issue with the fan base. I'm the issue with the football program. My season tickets and donations are the issue with the football program. Nevermind that the only thing (literally) that hasn't changed with the program in the last 5 years in the person running it and the issues are still as bad as they've ever been. GMAFB


This team has as much/more talent than any team in the conference on it's roster. Do you honestly believe it will be used properly? If so, other than blind homerism, please explain why. Great, the new assistants are full of social media fire and seem excited in front of little kids and their family. Fantastic. They haven't actually had to coach a season with Farley yet.

Hey, maybe Farley changes....for the first time in 30 years. It could happen, right?

Despite these things, his point is still true. "These fellas on this board wallowing in over the top pessimism are doing nothing to help UNI football."

[claw]

Despite these things, his point is still true. "These fellas on this board wallowing in over the top pessimism are doing nothing to help UNI football."

Show me one credible way that my posts are directly impacting UNI football. Show me how I, we, are causing the losses. Show me are I am hurting the program.

[MnPantherFan]

Despite these things, his point is still true. "These fellas on this board wallowing in over the top optimism are doing nothing to help UNI football."

Fixed it for you. Blaming fans who are genuinely interested in improving UNI football is ridiculous.

Kinda sorry I used the Fire Farley thread to ask about a two day lull in posts.

[UNIdad]

Fixed it for you. Blaming fans who are genuinely interested in improving UNI football is ridiculous.

Kinda sorry I used the Fire Farley thread to ask about a two day lull in posts.

Fans who wallow in over the top optimism buy lots of tickets. That helps UNI football.

[vbfan19]

Fixed it for you. Blaming fans who are genuinely interested in improving UNI football is ridiculous.

Kinda sorry I used the Fire Farley thread to ask about a two day lull in posts.

Neither side is really DOING anything to help UNI football.
The over-the-top optimists, ignoring the decline of the program and the problems that have led to it aren't really helping the program (though they are likely to keep buying tickets, attending games, and donating to scholarship funds).
The over-the-top pessimists aren't really helping the program either, and the negativity and jaded-ness could drive others away from the fandom.

[UNIdad]

Neither side is really DOING anything to help UNI football.
The over-the-top optimists, ignoring the decline of the program and the problems that have led to it aren't really helping the program (though they are likely to keep buying tickets, attending games, and donating to scholarship funds).
The over-the-top pessimists aren't really helping the program either, and the negativity and jaded-ness could drive others away from the fandom.

Well said.

[claw]

Fans who wallow in over the top optimism buy lots of tickets. That helps UNI football.

Funny. I'd bet anyone who is pissed on about where the program is, that is posting on this site, is still buying season tickets. Whether or not we are using them is another topic. I'd bet we are all still donating at the PSC, Alumni Association, Friends of Gallagher, UNI Foundation, a couple more program specific funding drivers, etc.

I'd also bet that those who refuse to ignore the complete dumpster fire that was last season, or the last 6 years, are letting the athletic director know about their displeasure. I'd bet (promise) you there are some LARGE donors that fall into that group. I'd bet those of us who are doing that ARE/WILL make an impact to better the program. Athletic departments are driven by one thing - money. If the athletic director feels money could potentially be impacted by the direction of the program they will address things with the program. Maybe that's forcing staff changes. Maybe that's giving the coaches an ultimatum. Maybe that's firing the coach. Who knows what it could look like.

However, blindly continuing as if nothing is wrong and ignoring the massive elephant lit on fire in the center of the room like it doesn't exist because "I'M A GOOD FAN" does nothing except show the staff, athletic department, and other fans tat the existing status quo is acceptable.

At this point, there's no one left to drive away. Look at PNs traffic. The only people left here are "true" UNI fans - sand NDSU trolls. You want to blame that on me, or posters like me? Go for it. I'll promise you it's related more to the excitement surrounding the program than it is any specific posters. Want to know why I say that? Look at PN from 04-2011. This site was BOOMING, and included in that were a large number of pure troll accounts and people far more negative (Even during the good times) than I am now. There were threads demanding Jake be fired after his second year as head coach - ignoring the fact he set the UNI record for most wins as a UNI head coach in their first year AND most wins as a UNI coach in their first two years combined. There was a 2 or 3 YEAR long argument over the Michigan State S16 game, and how Jake coached that. Even with that the site was booming.

It's not a coincidence that football season traffic is down more than it was the year before, and it's not because people post negative things here.

Those of are that "wallow in pitty" aren't wallowing in pitty or over the top pessimism. Read what we are discussing. Everything is about fixing what is wrong with the program. Fixing what is wrong with the direction the program is in. We've done extensive analysis of every part of the program over the last few years of posting. We've analyze run: pass ratio, route trees, arm strength of every QB, accuracy of every qb, passer rating, yards per carry, offensive lineman size, WR size, RB size/speed/style, play calling, the dozens of assistants we've had over that time, and the list goes on. It's becoming clear that there's one thing that hasn't changed, and it's now time to analyze if the thing that hasn't changed should. If you want to pretend like that isn't where we are as a program right now, then so be it. Live with your purple colored Sensory Deprivator 5000 device on. Some days I wish I could live like that. Sadly, I can not.

[havok58]

Funny. I'd bet anyone who is pissed on about where the program is, that is posting on this site, is still buying season tickets. Whether or not we are using them is another topic. I'd bet we are all still donating at the PSC, Alumni Association, Friends of Gallagher, UNI Foundation, a couple more program specific funding drivers, etc.

I'd also bet that those who refuse to ignore the complete dumpster fire that was last season, or the last 6 years, are letting the athletic director know about their displeasure. I'd bet (promise) you there are some LARGE donors that fall into that group. I'd bet those of us who are doing that ARE/WILL make an impact to better the program. Athletic departments are driven by one thing - money. If the athletic director feels money could potentially be impacted by the direction of the program they will address things with the program. Maybe that's forcing staff changes. Maybe that's giving the coaches an ultimatum. Maybe that's firing the coach. Who knows what it could look like.

However, blindly continuing as if nothing is wrong and ignoring the massive elephant lit on fire in the center of the room like it doesn't exist because "I'M A GOOD FAN" does nothing except show the staff, athletic department, and other fans tat the existing status quo is acceptable.

At this point, there's no one left to drive away. Look at PNs traffic. The only people left here are "true" UNI fans - sand NDSU trolls. You want to blame that on me, or posters like me? Go for it. I'll promise you it's related more to the excitement surrounding the program than it is any specific posters. Want to know why I say that? Look at PN from 04-2011. This site was BOOMING, and included in that were a large number of pure troll accounts and people far more negative (Even during the good times) than I am now. There were threads demanding Jake be fired after his second year as head coach - ignoring the fact he set the UNI record for most wins as a UNI head coach in their first year AND most wins as a UNI coach in their first two years combined. There was a 2 or 3 YEAR long argument over the Michigan State S16 game, and how Jake coached that. Even with that the site was booming.

It's not a coincidence that football season traffic is down more than it was the year before, and it's not because people post negative things here.

Those of are that "wallow in pitty" aren't wallowing in pitty or over the top pessimism. Read what we are discussing. Everything is about fixing what is wrong with the program. Fixing what is wrong with the direction the program is in. We've done extensive analysis of every part of the program over the last few years of posting. We've analyze run: pass ratio, route trees, arm strength of every QB, accuracy of every qb, passer rating, yards per carry, offensive lineman size, WR size, RB size/speed/style, play calling, the dozens of assistants we've had over that time, and the list goes on. It's becoming clear that there's one thing that hasn't changed, and it's now time to analyze if the thing that hasn't changed should. If you want to pretend like that isn't where we are as a program right now, then so be it. Live with your purple colored Sensory Deprivator 5000 device on. Some days I wish I could live like that. Sadly, I can not.

Well said, thank you. Now I need to make a Sensory Deprivator 5000 to deal with work.

[Blue42]

Neither side is really DOING anything to help UNI football.
The over-the-top optimists, ignoring the decline of the program and the problems that have led to it aren't really helping the program (though they are likely to keep buying tickets, attending games, and donating to scholarship funds).
The over-the-top pessimists aren't really helping the program either, and the negativity and jaded-ness could drive others away from the fandom.

I don't think I've seen any over the top optimists on this board.

I've seen some ridiculous and relentless negativity. I have definitely seen that.

And I've seen some frustrated fans...who aren't happy with how the last few years have unfolded...but are hoping the talent in the program and a motivated coaching staff can lead to a big year.

I'm sure the lack of playoff success in football has led to some decline on this PN board. Very likely.

ButBut I'm also sure that the tone and tenor on the board has pushed a lot of regulars off the board. Nobody wants to read this death and grief and sorrow crap.

No one's got their head in the sand here fellas. But the hell if I'm gonna come on here and crap all over the one football program I have followed for 30 years. And I do think they can win this year.

[UNIdad]

Funny. I'd bet anyone who is pissed on about where the program is, that is posting on this site, is still buying season tickets. Whether or not we are using them is another topic. I'd bet we are all still donating at the PSC, Alumni Association, Friends of Gallagher, UNI Foundation, a couple more program specific funding drivers, etc.

I'd also bet that those who refuse to ignore the complete dumpster fire that was last season, or the last 6 years, are letting the athletic director know about their displeasure. I'd bet (promise) you there are some LARGE donors that fall into that group. I'd bet those of us who are doing that ARE/WILL make an impact to better the program. Athletic departments are driven by one thing - money. If the athletic director feels money could potentially be impacted by the direction of the program they will address things with the program. Maybe that's forcing staff changes. Maybe that's giving the coaches an ultimatum. Maybe that's firing the coach. Who knows what it could look like.

However, blindly continuing as if nothing is wrong and ignoring the massive elephant lit on fire in the center of the room like it doesn't exist because "I'M A GOOD FAN" does nothing except show the staff, athletic department, and other fans tat the existing status quo is acceptable.

At this point, there's no one left to drive away. Look at PNs traffic. The only people left here are "true" UNI fans - sand NDSU trolls. You want to blame that on me, or posters like me? Go for it. I'll promise you it's related more to the excitement surrounding the program than it is any specific posters. Want to know why I say that? Look at PN from 04-2011. This site was BOOMING, and included in that were a large number of pure troll accounts and people far more negative (Even during the good times) than I am now. There were threads demanding Jake be fired after his second year as head coach - ignoring the fact he set the UNI record for most wins as a UNI head coach in their first year AND most wins as a UNI coach in their first two years combined. There was a 2 or 3 YEAR long argument over the Michigan State S16 game, and how Jake coached that. Even with that the site was booming.

It's not a coincidence that football season traffic is down more than it was the year before, and it's not because people post negative things here.

Those of are that "wallow in pitty" aren't wallowing in pitty or over the top pessimism. Read what we are discussing. Everything is about fixing what is wrong with the program. Fixing what is wrong with the direction the program is in. We've done extensive analysis of every part of the program over the last few years of posting. We've analyze run: pass ratio, route trees, arm strength of every QB, accuracy of every qb, passer rating, yards per carry, offensive lineman size, WR size, RB size/speed/style, play calling, the dozens of assistants we've had over that time, and the list goes on. It's becoming clear that there's one thing that hasn't changed, and it's now time to analyze if the thing that hasn't changed should. If you want to pretend like that isn't where we are as a program right now, then so be it. Live with your purple colored Sensory Deprivator 5000 device on. Some days I wish I could live like that. Sadly, I can not.

Your argument is legitimate. You've argued well for your points in this post. And in Posts 22, 28, 31, 46, 48, 64, 86, 112, 115, 133, 154, 164, 179, 182, 199, 203, 205, 260 262, 275, 277, 278, 282, 297, 308, 314, 331, 333, 348, and 350 of this thread.

Yet, I think there is still a place for optimism by fans amidst analysis and even amidst criticism about whether the program is going in the direction. But I don't think this is the place to mount a fire the coach campaign. I would like to think that this site is mostly about encouraging fans to be informed and engaged. And I won't apologize for being optimistic and cheering for the Panthers at every occasion. It seems like the campaign to fire the coach should be taken up with the big donors elsewhere, not here with the big fans and especially not among the new fans as we hope the site becomes more of a go-to site for fans, recruits, and their families and friends.

P.S. I joined in August 2011, so maybe I'm the cause of the decline on the site since April 2011!

[UNIdad]

Well said, thank you. Now I need to make a Sensory Deprivator 5000 to deal with work.

I might need the 6500 model!

[MnPantherFan]

Blue42, if you think they are going to win this year maybe you are over the top optimists. But by win maybe you mean a win like 1-10? I suppose going 6-5 is "winning". I can easily see them doing that.