Fire Farley

[ronfitch]

P.S. I joined in August 2011, so maybe I'm the cause of the decline on the site since April 2011!

Well, now that the cat is out of the bag, we've been meaning to talk with you about that, Dad ...

[claw]

Your argument is legitimate. You've argued well for your points in this post. And in Posts 22, 28, 31, 46, 48, 64, 86, 112, 115, 133, 154, 164, 179, 182, 199, 203, 205, 260 262, 275, 277, 278, 282, 297, 308, 314, 331, 333, 348, and 350 of this thread.

Yet, I think there is still a place for optimism by fans amidst analysis and even amidst criticism about whether the program is going in the direction. But I don't think this is the place to mount a fire the coach campaign. I would like to think that this site is mostly about encouraging fans to be informed and engaged. And I won't apologize for being optimistic and cheering for the Panthers at every occasion. It seems like the campaign to fire the coach should be taken up with the big donors elsewhere, not here with the big fans and especially not among the new fans as we hope the site becomes more of a go-to site for fans, recruits, and their families and friends.

P.S. I joined in August 2011, so maybe I'm the cause of the decline on the site since April 2011!

So fans shouldn't join a fan message board and discuss anything negative - ever. Got it.

Only sunshine and purple rainbows from here on out folks!

Farley never makes mistakes!
He's awesome at clock management, and picking a style of offense and sticking with it, not changing what was working, picking a quarterback and sticking with it, deciding what kind of OL to recruit and develop, player interaction, not blaming reporters for losses, etc...

Listen, I like Farley. He's a fantastic salesman for UNI. He is, in so many ways, the epitome of bleeding purple. I've never had a bad interaction with him - in fact I've had a ton of great interactions. He, in so many ways, is the face of UNI across the state. There is no denying any of that.

I'm not sure he should be fired. I am starting to wonder what he can do to stay the right person for the job though. As you painted out, it's not hard to find the reasons to question how much longer he is the right guy. I am sure that if things continue as they have been, his time as being the right guy for the job isn't much longer. Literally everything about the program has changed in the last 6 years - hell, three years - and the same issues are still there. They are getting really hard to bury your head in the purple colored sand about. I'm sure Farley wants them fixed more than any of us could dream of wanting them fixed. The reality is, it's on him to fix them. Staff changes have been made, with no change actually coming from it. Roster make up has changed, two or three times, with no real/lasting change taking place. We brought in an OC that wants to run an offense that moves, fast, and Farley cut him off at the knees 3 weeks into fall camp his first year here and told him how to run the offense. It's not out of line to wonder about the future, and life after Farley, and how long before that time comes.

[DomeIsHome]

Has anyone heard/seen anything on the two assistant jobs that were posted? Just wondering

[MnPantherFan]

Has anyone heard/seen anything on the two assistant jobs that were posted? Just wondering

Yes, any actual information about the coming season would be greatly appreciated. Just two things:

1. Don't even hint at anything that can be interpreted as negative. We can't afford to lose any more posters on here.
2. Start a NEW thread, it's time for this one to fade into oblivion until we're caught with no time to kick the game winning FG because Farley used up all our time-outs in the 3rd quarter (sarcasm alert).

Seriously, if ever there is a time of the year for optimism, over the top or not, it's now!

[sevelev711]

Frankly, all this thread is accomplishing is proving that everyone here is a real dip****.

[MnPantherFan]

Frankly, all this thread is accomplishing is proving that everyone here is a real dip****.

You realize, of course, that that includes you.

[7YrsOfCollegeDownTheDrain]

I'm in the optimistic camp about this years roster and potential. I'm hopeful that we can find and stick with an offensive identity similar to what we saw once Eli was put into the lineup last year. If we continue down that path and then get quality special teams play things should be good. Since I feel safe in saying that the Defense will be as solid as ever. I really think this could be an 8-3 team...or even 9-2...but what's scary is that I've felt we've had teams with those expectations several times in the last 5 or 6 seasons finish the year 6-5.

When i look back at Joe Davis' very short run as coordinator it's always confused me. Not that Farley cut him off at the knees but more in that he got hired at all. With Farley being so defensive minded that up tempo style of play never seemed like a fit. I personally always wondered if that coordinator choice was almost forced on him by Dannen or someone within the athletic department. Now that we're a couple years removed from that i'd love to hear if anyone has some actual insight into that.

[sevelev711]

You realize, of course, that that includes you.

Never said it didn't.

[clenz]

Not to fuel the flames on this, but:

I'm setting my formulas up for doing the statistical analysis that I do every year to rank/predict based on returning players. I base the formulas on the "average per game" for all teams last year for the categories used on offense. I won't touch the offensive numbers because they are really ugly and we all know that.

What is likely lost is just how good that defense/ special teams was. We all say "We have a championship caliber defense but no offense to go with it". Well, about 20 seconds into starting my analysis by getting the averages to base everything around I spent some time browsing where UNI ranked in the offensive areas - then I looked at the defense and wept.

Last year, among MVFC teams UNI ranked
1st in total defense
1st in yards allowed passing
1st in yards allowed per pass
2nd in rush defense
1st in yards allowed per rush
2nd in INTs
1st in INT yards
1st in INT yards per return
1st in INT for TDs
Only team to give up less than 5 yards per play
1st in kick off return average
1st in kick off return for TD
Longest KR in conference
2nd in PR average
Longest PR in the conference
1st in PR for TD

Yes, the kick coverage team was bad, and the FG team was bad. Honestly, if those were where they usually are we might have been a 8 win team. That's how good the defense was and how close to "over the hump" they got us. Even with the bad special teams, imagine how good this team would be if an offense was picked, recruited for, and stuck with that played to our strength of roster.

That's all the further into my research I am, so I don't know what that is going to look like carrying forward when it is based only on returning players. However, reading that list after I compiled it actually hurt, psychically.

[ronfitch]

Not to fuel the flames on this, but:

I'm setting my formulas up for doing the statistical analysis that I do every year to rank/predict based on returning players. I base the formulas on the "average per game" for all teams last year for the categories used on offense. I won't touch the offensive numbers because they are really ugly and we all know that.

What is likely lost is just how good that defense/ special teams was. We all say "We have a championship caliber defense but no offense to go with it". Well, about 20 seconds into starting my analysis by getting the averages to base everything around I spent some time browsing where UNI ranked in the offensive areas - then I looked at the defense and wept.

Last year, among MVFC teams UNI ranked
1st in total defense
1st in yards allowed passing
1st in yards allowed per pass
2nd in rush defense
1st in yards allowed per rush
2nd in INTs
1st in INT yards
1st in INT yards per return
1st in INT for TDs
Only team to give up less than 5 yards per play
1st in kick off return average
1st in kick off return for TD
Longest KR in conference
2nd in PR average
Longest PR in the conference
1st in PR for TD

Yes, the kick coverage team was bad, and the FG team was bad. Honestly, if those were where they usually are we might have been a 8 win team. That's how good the defense was and how close to "over the hump" they got us. Even with the bad special teams, imagine how good this team would be if an offense was picked, recruited for, and stuck with that played to our strength of roster.

That's all the further into my research I am, so I don't know what that is going to look like carrying forward when it is based only on returning players. However, reading that list after I compiled it actually hurt, psychically.

Clenz! Nice to see you back at PN.

[SoccerDobber]

Not to fuel the flames on this, but:

I'm setting my formulas up for doing the statistical analysis that I do every year to rank/predict based on returning players. I base the formulas on the "average per game" for all teams last year for the categories used on offense. I won't touch the offensive numbers because they are really ugly and we all know that.

What is likely lost is just how good that defense/ special teams was. We all say "We have a championship caliber defense but no offense to go with it". Well, about 20 seconds into starting my analysis by getting the averages to base everything around I spent some time browsing where UNI ranked in the offensive areas - then I looked at the defense and wept.

Last year, among MVFC teams UNI ranked
1st in total defense
1st in yards allowed passing
1st in yards allowed per pass
2nd in rush defense
1st in yards allowed per rush
2nd in INTs
1st in INT yards
1st in INT yards per return
1st in INT for TDs
Only team to give up less than 5 yards per play
1st in kick off return average
1st in kick off return for TD
Longest KR in conference
2nd in PR average
Longest PR in the conference
1st in PR for TD

Yes, the kick coverage team was bad, and the FG team was bad. Honestly, if those were where they usually are we might have been a 8 win team. That's how good the defense was and how close to "over the hump" they got us. Even with the bad special teams, imagine how good this team would be if an offense was picked, recruited for, and stuck with that played to our strength of roster.

That's all the further into my research I am, so I don't know what that is going to look like carrying forward when it is based only on returning players. However, reading that list after I compiled it actually hurt, psychically.

Yeah that's depressing to know those stats belong to a 5-6 Panther team, those are stats of a championship winning team right there.

[SoccerDobber]

Blue42, if you think they are going to win this year maybe you are over the top optimists. But by win maybe you mean a win like 1-10? I suppose going 6-5 is "winning". I can easily see them doing that.

I'm guessing roughly 7-4.

[dan_beeding]

7-4 would be nice......

[TravelingPanther]

7-4 would be nice......

6-5 would be pretty sweet.

[BCPanther]

5-6 would actually be overachieving at this point...

Think about that...