Playoffs

[vbfan19]

And we finished 1 single game back of SDSU who was solo 2nd. How is that not valid? I never thought we should be slotted ahead of them despite beating them.
Stick to volleyball, bud.

1 single game in the conference standings, perhaps. But this isn't a conference tournament. This is a national tournament, so you have to look at overall record, in which case UNI was 2.5 games behind SDSU last year. This year, UNI and SDSU had identical overall records. Yes, UNI had the better SoS, but they got crushed in the head-to-head. So it was a tossup, and the committee chose SDSU.

[Cat80]

Win at Weber St. and getting blown out by an angry SDSU wouldn't matter, UNI's a seed.

[BCPanther]

Win at Weber St. and getting blown out by an angry SDSU wouldn't matter, UNI's a seed.

Yep. Our bad for losing on the road to the #3 team in the country.

[Mudrafan]

and yet if UNI was in SDSU's situation (and SDSU in UNI's) going into selection, and the committee had used all the criteria you guys are bringing up as to why the 2nd place MVFC team should get the seed, then y'all would be whinging about how the team that won the head-to-head by a large margin should have gotten the seed.

Truth is, neither team really stood out from the other (or the pack of other teams hoping for one of the last seeds), and thus things were left to chance and/or the whims of the committee. Crying about it now doesn't help anything.

We aren’t playing or coaching so it doesn’t hurt either. This is a message board and is the single point and purpose of a message board

[Mudrafan]

This is spot on. Whining about not getting a seed when it all was in our control. We knew that game at SDSU was for a seed. Granted their loss was bad on Saturday but the decision was already made. And we certainly cannot go into Saturday thinking we have a cake walk or that we are too good to be playing because we've shown what happens to us when we aren't prepared.

Why wasn’t it for a seed for sdsu when they got their asses handed to them yesterday and earlier in the year and finished fourth? So yesterday didn’t matter for them? Why? If one of their three losses doesn’t count, why can’t one of our two? Again, what’s the point of the regular season if you are just going to pull out one head to head game and go off that?

[Mudrafan]

This is spot on. Whining about not getting a seed when it all was in our control. We knew that game at SDSU was for a seed. Granted their loss was bad on Saturday but the decision was already made. And we certainly cannot go into Saturday thinking we have a cake walk or that we are too good to be playing because we've shown what happens to us when we aren't prepared.

We aren’t preparing for the game or playing so talking about it has no impact whatsoever with the team’s performance

[Mudrafan]

1 single game in the conference standings, perhaps. But this isn't a conference tournament. This is a national tournament, so you have to look at overall record, in which case UNI was 2.5 games behind SDSU last year. This year, UNI and SDSU had identical overall records. Yes, UNI had the better SoS, but they got crushed in the head-to-head. So it was a tossup, and the committee chose SDSU.

You have to look at conference records over overall. You don’t simply look at head to head as that makes the season pointless. And you don’t look at wins in a vacuum as they played two tomato cans. Their blemish was the fact they lost more in conference and that alone is the entire reason why they should be playing san diego instead of us. If we finished tied in conference then by all means the hth is the decider but they jumped the shark...again

[Mudrafan]

Win at Weber St. and getting blown out by an angry SDSU wouldn't matter, UNI's a seed.

What part of weber st is the #3 ranked team in the country don’t you get? Wire to wire and not a bad loss at all. And we were a beat up team at sdsu. And for about the millionth time...They had more conference losses than us!!!! Why don’t you people understand that basic concept? To leapfrog a team ranked higher and with fewer conference losses...and they have two ridiculous non conference wins. Ridiculous

[Cat80]

What part of weber st is the #3 ranked team in the country don’t you get? Wire to wire and not a bad loss at all. And we were a beat up team at sdsu. And for about the millionth time...They had more conference losses than us!!!! Why don’t you people understand that basic concept? To leapfrog a team ranked higher and with fewer conference losses...and they have two ridiculous non conference wins. Ridiculous

Indeed. I'm looking at UNI's 3 losses to FCS teams and the one that would have put us into a seed would have been a win at WSU. That was not a 'good loss.' 20-3 at the end of the first quarter and swimming upstream the remainder of the game is not a good loss. UNI gets screwed by the committee more often than not, I'm noting that an early season game can be just as important to a seed as a late season game. The key is UNI improving in important road games, not trusting the committee to not treat us poorly. Our 3 FCS road losses were all blowouts. Weber's one FCS road loss was a blowout at Montana; not a rare occurrence as all UNI fans know.

[UNIdad]

that's not how it works in the FCS bracket.

The magic number in this case is 353.
353 miles from Cedar Falls to Brookings.
The committee is officially directed to set up "bus trips" of 400 miles or less.
Once I saw that list of seeds, I knew UNI would be in SDSU's bracket.

Seriously. 400 mile bus trips? Where did you find this info? Not doubting you, just want to have a source when I talk about this with others.

Is this for the teams? Or the fans?

And is it just for the second round? Or do they try to apply it in the first rounds too?

[UNIdad]

Stick to volleyball, bud.

VB seems to make interesting and reasonable points. Maybe not compelling to you, but certainly not ridiculous. No need for personal attacks.

P.S. I know, "Stick to Swimming/Diving, bud." You don't even need to waste the key strokes.

[Trapped in California]

Seriously. 400 mile bus trips? Where did you find this info? Not doubting you, just want to have a source when I talk about this with others.

Is this for the teams? Or the fans?

And is it just for the second round? Or do they try to apply it in the first rounds too?

https://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?238904-NCAA-FCS-Selection-Committee-NCAA-By-Laws-amp-the-SRS-Basics

[clenz]

Seriously. 400 mile bus trips? Where did you find this info? Not doubting you, just want to have a source when I talk about this with others.

Is this for the teams? Or the fans?

And is it just for the second round? Or do they try to apply it in the first rounds too?

It's an NCAA rule and been discussed every single season.

Campus to campus 400 miles it's an automatic bus trip. If you'd normally fly (say UNI would normally fly to Sioux Falls and bus to Brookings) you don't get that option. It's a bus. The NCAA picks up travel costs so they do everything they can to keep it low. You don't get an option for a plane unless it's over 400 miles.

Every single round. In fact, the NCAA tells the committee they need to do everything they can to create as many bus trips in the first two rounds as possible while creating their match ups. It's why we will always be hooked to SDSU (no matter who the seed is) or Illinois Sate (277 miles).

It's called regionalization. Everyone hates it. The MVFC teams will always play MVFC teams in round 2 and likely the quarters if the "committee did their job correctly".

San Diego is a flight everywhere. Thus sending them here and the winner to SDSU is the best possible outcome they had.

It's why UND coming into the Valley is going to be real interesting. They are a bus for NDSU (80 miles), SDSU (266 miles). It's either going to finally force UNI east and south with the OVC and SLC or basically always set up a triangle (maybe a quadrent with USD if they ever figure it out) where UNI, USD, SDSU and NDSU are all just fed to each other.


Also - source

https://www.ncaa.com/news/football/article/2019-11-24/fcs-championship-everything-you-need-know

[Mudrafan]

Indeed. I'm looking at UNI's 3 losses to FCS teams and the one that would have put us into a seed would have been a win at WSU. That was not a 'good loss.' 20-3 at the end of the first quarter and swimming upstream the remainder of the game is not a good loss. UNI gets screwed by the committee more often than not, I'm noting that an early season game can be just as important to a seed as a late season game. The key is UNI improving in important road games, not trusting the committee to not treat us poorly. Our 3 FCS road losses were all blowouts. Weber's one FCS road loss was a blowout at Montana; not a rare occurrence as all UNI fans know.

Again, why have rankings then and why have conference standings? That’s the crux of the matter. You are just throwing that out and making those things less than one hth matchup and then getting into other areas that make zero sense as they are one sided. The same can be thrown at sdsu. Don’t get beaten by lowly conference foes. Two of them. We didn’t. See what i did there?

[06panther10]

VB seems to make interesting and reasonable points. Maybe not compelling to you, but certainly not ridiculous. No need for personal attacks.

P.S. I know, "Stick to Swimming/Diving, bud." You don't even need to waste the key strokes.

There is is a history here of his awful posting that goes back way before you were around.