Lutz says we should kick UNI out of the MVC

[Khan4Cats]

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I would take SLU in a heartbeat.

I'd rather have Oral Roberts for the competition factor.

[UNI Prof]

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Personally I would like to see the whole state of kansas barred from the union.

I couldn't have said it better.

[06panther10]

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Just thought you guys might want to read this and see how retarded these Shocker fans really are. I found this over at ValleyTalk today, posted from a WSU fan. LOL

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A good article but kind of backwards. If you look at all the programs in the Valley, the one that really sticks out at you is WSU. If WSU left, the Valley would be more balanced in regards to financial strength and "mid-major" appearance.

There isn't a program in the Valley that approaches WSU's potential in regards to WSU's fanbase, revenue, and P&L's. Creighton looks pretty good on paper but any financial prowess demonstrated is quickly debunked due to their massive overhead with rent and facility costs. Wichita State's program is a gold mine from the perspective of the other nine Valley schools.

WSU is also the largest media market in the Valley. Wichita's media market is combined with Hutchinson, a fact that isn't reflected in various "rankings" (for some reason they always list us as Wichita only). We are clearly #1 in that category.

I originally thought that WSU would be able to take advantage of a move to CUSA, but with the talks of Memphis leaving for the Big East, it really doesn't look as appealing. Memphis skews the avg. attendance numbers at all the CUSA schools. Without Memphis, all that would be left is the reality that NOBODY watches basketball in Conference USA. However, the obvious upgrade for our baseball program and the ability to develop our D1 football program could certainly be looked at as an improvement on our overall current situation.

Ideally, the Big 12 could expand like the Big East. Perhaps the Big 16 or something like that. In that scenario Wichita State could be added along with a couple other schools. The problem there is what would those other schools be? There really isn't anybody that comes to mind that appears as much like a major program stuck in a mid-major conference as WSU does... Of course Memphis would be a possibility if they wanted to join the new league. I don't know the financial condition of Butler's athletic department, but I think they would struggle if they tried to develop a D1 football program. A middling urban Catholic school like Creighton developing football is a real laugher. Creighton's athletic program has all the smoke and mirrors working well. Never will that program look better than it does right now. Creighton's situation is diametrically opposed to Wichita. Where Creighton has rented.. I mean reached their full potential (which should be applauded), WSU is currently functioning at about 10% and being held back due to fanbase apathy. I guess you can call nationally ranked attendance in basketball, baseball, and volleyball apathy... I'm actually referring to the big money that sits on the sidelines waiting for something real to believe (invest) in. We've had donor after donor with 10's of millions of dollars wanting to invest in a football startup turned away because it just doesn't make sense in the Valley.

All Bob was trying to say in his article was that the MVC sucks for WSU. That is true. For once, WSU needs to be in a conference where teams actually add to WSU's fortunes, not draw on them. The way it is now, WSU is the "Class of the Valley" in terms of what a major program is all about. WSU needs to be in a conference where it has more peers and less ankle-biters.


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[UNIpanther99]

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That's just Coldblooded trying to stir the pot... I'd like to say ignore him and he will go away, but sadly that works with him about as well as it does with cockroaches.

[SteinPizza]

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06Panther...all I can say is "wow". That's some of the most delusional crap I've ever read. No need to counterpoint it, and I wouldn't even know where to start.

It's fine if Wichita State has financial resources, the buildings are wholly owned, etc. Great. But to claim Wichita is some kind of metropolis is absurd. I've done business there. They have a very nice base of aerospace companies...other than that the place is Peoria. "#1 TV market"...whatever. #1 in per capita mullets, and girls that chew...that I'd believe.

How can this guy be serious about joining the Big 12??? One word for this idiot, which refutes much of his thesis...football. Like someone else said, talk to me when you start winning NCAA tourney games. It's been a long time since Xavier McDaniel, Greg Dreiling, and Antoine Carr played there.

[Newsbreaker]

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That guy has a unique knack for getting absolutely everything wrong every time.

[Trapped in California]

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I had read that the Meth problem was quite widespread in the Wichita area, but this is the first example I have seen in print.

[UNI Prof]

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The Big 12 will NEVER be interested in WSU. Never.

[PantherObserver]

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Did he really just try to argue that Wichita/Hutchinson is the biggest metropolitan area in the MVC? Because I don't think it's close to Omaha/Council Bluffs.

They think a school that doesn't even have football can join the Big 12? How cute...

[PantherObserver]

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Yeah, just double checked. Apparently they don't teach Math down there at Wichita State Community College...

Omaha/Council Bluffs has a population of 491,189

Wichita/Hutchinson is 402,207

Gee, he was only about 100,000 off about them being the largest market in the MVC.

[SteinPizza]

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Did he really just try to argue that Wichita/Hutchinson is the biggest metropolitan area in the MVC? Because I don't think it's close to Omaha/Council Bluffs.

They think a school that doesn't even have football can join the Big 12? How cute...

To be specific, I think he said that Wichita/Hutchinson is the MVC largest TV market...IF Hutchinson is included (which the ranking organizations dont' do). I'd be willing to bet that Nielsen, and/or the FCC, knows a little more about the demographics of how to structure TV markets than this guy.

Like I said earlier, Wichita is a nothing more than Peoria with aerospace companies. And you're correct with the above, Wichita is nowhere near the size of Omaha. Judging by driving around, metro Wichita isn't as big as the Des Moines metro either. Des Moines is also about 800 times nicer as well.

[achrist70]

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Let's just kick out the teams that don't play football.

Do Drake and Indiana State count as schools that play football?

[Newsbreaker]

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Yeah, just double checked. Apparently they don't teach Math down there at Wichita State Community College...

Omaha/Council Bluffs has a population of 491,189

Wichita/Hutchinson is 402,207

Gee, he was only about 100,000 off about them being the largest market in the MVC.

Des Moines is 2nd largest, Shanty, er, Shockerville isn't even in the top 2.

[Newsbreaker]

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What's the Des Moines metro?

He mentioned "largest media market". Is he talking about the rankings for media markets and not population? Is there a difference? I don't know. I'd like to know.

Des Moines Metro is about 500,000. In terms of TV markets, Des Moines is #62, Omaha #67, and Wichita is #76. Those include not just the cities/suburbs, but normally several surrounding counties. Hence, Omaha is Omaha/CB, Des Moines is DM/Ames, and Wichita includes another city.

http://www.rabbitears.info/market.php?request=marketmap

If you go to radio ratings, Omaha is a little bigger than Des Moines, but both are larger than Wichita.

He was just wrong, no way around it.

[CincyPanther88]

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Just thought you guys might want to read this and see how retarded these Shocker fans really are. I found this over at ValleyTalk today, posted from a WSU fan. LOL

Dang! That guy's really giving it to Creighton. I lived in Wellington for about a year which is about 20 miles south of Wichita. Stein's right. Wichita's no better than Peoria and I used to visit Peoria quite a bit. What would be nice is if they did get a football team together and joined the MVFC so we could whup their ass every year.