Lutz says we should kick UNI out of the MVC

[Newsbreaker]

Re: Lutz says we should kick UNI out of the MVC

I don't wish bi-yearly trips to Wichita on anyone, especially our football team.

Kansas is the lump of crap even Oklahoma didn't want.

[williebat]

Re: Lutz says we should kick UNI out of the MVC

Des Moines Metro is about 500,000. In terms of TV markets, Des Moines is #62, Omaha #67, and Wichita is #76. Those include not just the cities/suburbs, but normally several surrounding counties. Hence, Omaha is Omaha/CB, Des Moines is DM/Ames, and Wichita includes another city.

http://www.rabbitears.info/market.php?request=marketmap

If you go to radio ratings, Omaha is a little bigger than Des Moines, but both are larger than Wichita.

He was just wrong, no way around it.

WHo is the largest media market?

I guess

drake #1
Creighton #2
THEN WHO

[Newsbreaker]

Re: Lutz says we should kick UNI out of the MVC

By that map, I think they rank like this:

Drake (Des Moines - 62)
Creighton (Omama - 67)
UNI (Cedar Rapids/Wateroo/Dubuque - 70)
Wichita (Wichita - 76)
SIU (Paducah - 79)
Ill St/Bradley (Peoria - 106)
Evansville (Evansville - 113)
MSU (Springfield - 128)
Terre Haute (Terre Haute -148)

*The problem with ranking MVC markets should be readily apparent, however...but we weren't the ones making the argument.

[williebat]

Re: Lutz says we should kick UNI out of the MVC

By that map, I think they rank like this:

Drake (Des Moines - 62)
Creighton (Omama - 67)
UNI (Cedar Rapids/Wateroo/Dubuque - 70)
Wichita (Wichita - 76)
SIU (Paducah - 79)
Ill St/Bradley (Peoria - 106)
Evansville (Evansville - 113)
MSU (Springfield - 128)
Terre Haute (Terre Haute -148)

*The problem with ranking MVC markets should be readily apparent, however...but we weren't the ones making the argument.

I know not exactly a bragging point. I was just curious

thanks

[Newsbreaker]

Re: Lutz says we should kick UNI out of the MVC

I know not exactly a bragging point. I was just curious

thanks

I think it also shows that UNI could have something no other Valley team could touch (as could Drake, really). Because of the way our state is, our team should have access to two of the three largest TV markets in the Valley....every game. NOBODY could touch the audience would have access to, but we have not found a way to access that.

[SteinPizza]

Re: Lutz says we should kick UNI out of the MVC

By that map, I think they rank like this:

Drake (Des Moines - 62)
Creighton (Omama - 67)
UNI (Cedar Rapids/Wateroo/Dubuque - 70)
Wichita (Wichita - 76)
SIU (Paducah - 79)
Ill St/Bradley (Peoria - 106)
Evansville (Evansville - 113)
MSU (Springfield - 128)
Terre Haute (Terre Haute -148)

*The problem with ranking MVC markets should be readily apparent, however...but we weren't the ones making the argument.

News, I don't doubt the numbers above. I am a little suprised the Omaha TV market is smaller than Des Moines. Last I knew, the Omaha metro area was around 800,000, while Des Moines was around 600,000. Keeping in mind that's metro area, not TV viewers. The Des Moines Metropolitan Statistical area does not include Ames, even though much of Story County could be counted as borderline suburban. I'm sure similar anomalies effect the other cities (like factoring Dubuque into the mix).

I'm also a little suprised the Peoria market isn't bigger, since Bloomington/Normal is obviously counted in. Oh well, one thing is certain...this guy is trying to sell Wichita as champagne, when in reality it's domestic beer.

[UNIpanther99]

Re: Lutz says we should kick UNI out of the MVC

UNI is 148-176 (46%) in the Valley since joining in 1991.

WSU is 142-182 (44%) during that same time. They are 469-480 (49%) all-time in the valley.

It's hard to make the case they are able to put a product on the floor any better than UNI. Their attendance is impressive, ours is getting better (if you look over a long period of time).

The superiority complex down there is based on some sort of delusion I cannot comprehend.... Thankfully there are at least a few among their fans who realize this.

[SteinPizza]

Re: Lutz says we should kick UNI out of the MVC

UNI is 148-176 (46%) in the Valley since joining in 1991.

WSU is 142-182 (44%) during that same time. They are 469-480 (49%) all-time in the valley.

It's hard to make the case they are able to put a product on the floor any better than UNI. Their attendance is impressive, ours is getting better (if you look over a long period of time).

The superiority complex down there is based on some sort of delusion I cannot comprehend.... Thankfully there are at least a few among their fans who realize this.

I heard on today's broadcast that UNI has finished in the upper half of the MVC 6 straight seasons. Obviously, there's a few years in there where we've done significantly better. In other words, our B Ball record is hardly reason to throw us out.

The "superiority complex" must be baseball related. Like baseball is such a major college sport that it should factor in??? I mean, what else do they have to go on?

Another related point. If the MVFC had been in existance longer, we'd probably have the same superiority feelings (along with SIU). The difference is, they'd be far more justified.

[06panther10]

Re: Lutz says we should kick UNI out of the MVC

I heard on today's broadcast that UNI has finished in the upper half of the MVC 6 straight seasons. Obviously, there's a few years in there where we've done significantly better. In other words, our B Ball record is hardly reason to throw us out.

The "superiority complex" must be baseball related. Like baseball is such a major college sport that it should factor in??? I mean, what else do they have to go on?

Another related point. If the MVFC had been in existance longer, we'd probably have the same superiority feelings (along with SIU). The difference is, they'd be far more justified.

See thats the thing. If having a superiority complex isn't annoying enough, they are falsely bragging. They don't even HAVE the success that they brag about.

Generally, UNI is one of the schools that is looked at as being the least successfull in the conference, and UNI has a better record since joining the Valley.

I have never ever found a fanbase and school more easy to hate than Wichita State.

[Newsbreaker]

Re: Lutz says we should kick UNI out of the MVC

News, I don't doubt the numbers above. I am a little suprised the Omaha TV market is smaller than Des Moines. Last I knew, the Omaha metro area was around 800,000, while Des Moines was around 600,000. Keeping in mind that's metro area, not TV viewers. The Des Moines Metropolitan Statistical area does not include Ames, even though much of Story County could be counted as borderline suburban. I'm sure similar anomalies effect the other cities (like factoring Dubuque into the mix).

I'm also a little suprised the Peoria market isn't bigger, since Bloomington/Normal is obviously counted in. Oh well, one thing is certain...this guy is trying to sell Wichita as champagne, when in reality it's domestic beer.

I would have guessed that Des Moines would be behind Omaha as well, but not according to that source.

Of course using government data on city size is an entirely different question. Omaha is the largest Valley city, followed by Wichita, followed by Des Moines, but DM benefits from a larger suburban area than the others have.