Top 25?

[ubuntuCAT]

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uni is waaaaaaay better than ISU, even with brackins back. i would almost say that iowa is better than isu.

I agree that UNI is better (although we did lose to them at home last year) but to say Iowa is better than ISU is laughable.
I think ISU will surprise some people this year. First year coach Mac. has had any horses returning and one of the nation's best at that.

[Kyle]

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This is some exciting stuff. UNI truly has the chance to jump to the next level this year. To have a legit shot a doing so, they need to knock off some high caliber programs in non-conference and other MVC teams need to do the same so we don't have to depend on winning in St. Louis to make the dance.

ISU's season next year will hing on the new freshman from Chicago. If he is as good as reported, they will be an average big 12 team. Iowa will have a season similar to last years and probably finish 9-11 in the big 10.

Hopefully Iowa and ISU get back on track soon. A win over either when they are doing well really helps our RPI and looks very good on our resume come selection time.

[JayJ79]

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Is the upcoming Iowa team that much worse than last year's?
I don't really follow basketball, so I haven't heard the predictions.

I just remember that the Hawks beat the Panthers in McLeod last year.

[TravelingPanther]

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Iowa beat us on the road by 20.
Iowa state beat us at home in OT.

[UNIpanther99]

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Iowa beat us on the road by 20.

I think it's safe to say that was just about the low point of the season.

[TravelingPanther]

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I think it's safe to say that was just about the low point of the season.

I would agree. I watched it with my brother-in-law who is a Hawkeye fan.

[TravelingPanther]

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I still think ISU could make some waves. They won a lot of games they had no business being in, and came close in some others. If any of the players around Brackins have improved at all, they should have a pretty good season.

[06panther10]

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uni is waaaaaaay better than ISU, even with brackins back. i would almost say that iowa is better than isu.

Explain how ISU is worse than Iowa. Iowa State has a top 10 player in the country with Brackins, and have some really good young players coming in. As it stands right now, ISU is in a much better position than Iowa.

[9YRPLAN]

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iowa returns some decent players in gatens, tucker, and fuller as well as a 100% jarryd cole who will replace tate. losing peterson will hurt early but i was not a fan of his game and evidently neither was Lickliter.

i dont think iowa will really be much better than last year, especially early in the year, when they might be pretty bad. however, it would not surprise me to see iowa improve greatly during the season much like last year.

remember, iowa DESTROYED ISU last year. brackins was a complete non-factor. he struggles against physical defenders like tate and now cole. plus, iowa actually has some height in the post coming in with archie. ISU returns some guards...so what, they suck.

ISU's newcomers are probably rated higher than iowa's, but you really have no idea what you are going to get from them early in the season. keeping brackins was a coup for Mac, but even when he was scoring in bunches they still didnt win many games.

to say "to say that Iowa is as good as ISU is laughable" is, well, laughable.

[06panther10]

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iowa returns some decent players in gatens, tucker, and fuller as well as a 100% jarryd cole who will replace tate. losing peterson will hurt early but i was not a fan of his game and evidently neither was Lickliter.

i dont think iowa will really be much better than last year, especially early in the year, when they might be pretty bad. however, it would not surprise me to see iowa improve greatly during the season much like last year.

remember, iowa DESTROYED ISU last year. brackins was a complete non-factor. he struggles against physical defenders like tate and now cole. plus, iowa actually has some height in the post coming in with archie. ISU returns some guards...so what, they suck.

ISU's newcomers are probably rated higher than iowa's, but you really have no idea what you are going to get from them early in the season. keeping brackins was a coup for Mac, but even when he was scoring in bunches they still didnt win many games.

to say "to say that Iowa is as good as ISU is laughable" is, well, laughable.

Using a single game (ISU/Iowa) to back up your argument is pretty flawed. You yourself said that UNI is waaaay better than Iowa, yet Iowa beat UNI by 20 last year.

Then you talk about the players that Iowa returns, and how that will help Iowa, yet when talking about the players ISU returns you just say "so what". I say "so what" to Iowa returning players, because they were terrible last year. In other words, how does it help Iowa to return anybody from a terrible team?

Lastly, I don't see as many flaws in Brackins' game as you do. The guy is a good player. He can play inside and outside. I don't know about getting roughed up by bigger players, I mean, he put up like 40 points against KU last season, and they have a great post player in Aldrich.

[ubuntuCAT]

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9YRPLAN, I can't wait to come back to this thread during basketball season when Iowa is sucking it up big time.

[blien]

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we wont get any rating unless we walk out of the Paradise Jam with the title or go like 10-1, been there , no love for us until then. I hope to go to the Paradise Jam.

[9YRPLAN]

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9YRPLAN, I can't wait to come back to this thread during basketball season when Iowa is sucking it up big time.

wtf are you talking about? considering i said "iowa will be pretty bad"

i just dont understand why anyone think ISU is suddenly a good team because brackins came back. the college game is dominated by guards, and ISU doesnt have any. garrett? staiger? colvin is their best guard and he hasnt played a minute. like i said, ISU was not winning games with brackins last year.

iowa has two pretty decent guards coming back in gatens and tucker despite the loss of kelly. gatens was frosh all-conference and tucker was the leading scorer before he was sick/drunk/ineligible. iowa was playing respectable ball by the end of last season.

i am not basing my observations on one game. you are an idiot if you cant see the difference between ISU and UNI's seasons last year despite them both losing to iowa.

[in_the_stands]

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Last seasons late improvement came when Kelly was moved to the point and given the green light to shoot. Gatens is a good player, but he's really a small forward, not a guard. Not the best outside shot, and undersized when he goes inside. Only thing Tucker has demonstrated so far is his outside shot. Rumor has it that he's a better passer and ballhandler now, but he has to prove it on the court.

[UNIpanther99]

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Here's the good news... When our biggest argument is who's going to be the best team in the state after us, that's a good thing!