Top 25?

[Panthers to the Bone]

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He was here...and now...he gone.

[AcesOverKings]

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He was here...and now...he gone.

ok hawk......hope you're doing well pttB

[Panther789]

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iowa returns some decent players in gatens, tucker, and fuller as well as a 100% jarryd cole who will replace tate. losing peterson will hurt early but i was not a fan of his game and evidently neither was Lickliter.

i dont think iowa will really be much better than last year, especially early in the year, when they might be pretty bad. however, it would not surprise me to see iowa improve greatly during the season much like last year.

remember, iowa DESTROYED ISU last year. brackins was a complete non-factor. he struggles against physical defenders like tate and now cole. plus, iowa actually has some height in the post coming in with archie. ISU returns some guards...so what, they suck.

ISU's newcomers are probably rated higher than iowa's, but you really have no idea what you are going to get from them early in the season. keeping brackins was a coup for Mac, but even when he was scoring in bunches they still didnt win many games.

to say "to say that Iowa is as good as ISU is laughable" is, well, laughable.

I think its pretty clear whose statements were "laughable." Its also going to be pretty hard to spin this as "Panther fans sucking each other off" when UNI had nothing to do with your statements.

Just another example of you being neutral and rational when it comes to the U of I.

[95UNIGRAD]

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i said that UNI would get preseason votes over at hawkeyereport and was crucified

Was the cross made of sour grapes?

Whiny Hawk fans. Can't live with 'em, can't shoot 'em (paraphrasing Steven Wright).

[95UNIGRAD]

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Because you really think Iowa is going to be better than ISU?
You had 4 transfers: Jake Kelly, Jeff Petersen, David Palmer, and Jermaine Davis. Which gives you only 7 returning players. Jake Kelly was your leading scorer and Jeff Peterson was your 3rd leading scorer. Combined with those 4 players transferring, you lost 30.8 pts. From graduation your lost Cyrus Tate and JR Angle, which is another 7.5 pts. So, all together, Iowa lost 38.3 pts.
ISU lost Bryan Peterson, Sean Huluska, and Alex Thompson to graduation. All together, thats a loss in 11.5 pts. Players leaving include Clinton Mann, Wes Eikmeier, and Cameron Lee, which combined is a loss of 4 pts. And all together ISU loses 15.5 pts, compared to Iowa's 38.3 pts.

Now, you can't tell me that Iowa has everyone back...
They lost more than half of their points including two of their top 3 scorers. ISU returns all of their top 3 scorers. I could go on and on about the talent ISU has coming in vs the talent Iowa has coming in.
It's obvious that Iowa's basketball program may have taken a step back from last year to this year, and ISU is finally starting to move forward again. If you disagree with me, please explain to me why I am wrong. Thanks.

Dave, you can't use logic and facts on a Hawkeye fan. They have such an inflated sense of where their team ranks in the whole scheme of things and such a poor knowledge of the sports world outside of Iowa City, they'll just choose to ignore it or come back with an unrelated argument. After posting how UNI had knocked down the 2nd out of 3 teams on their way to a Panther State Tuesday on my Facebook account, I had someone I barely even know (Hawk fan) follow it with "what bowl game are the Panthers playing in this year?" Seriously. That is exactly what he replied with. How do you even reason with that?

[cydave]

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Dave, you can't use logic and facts on a Hawkeye fan. They have such an inflated sense of where their team ranks in the whole scheme of things and such a poor knowledge of the sports world outside of Iowa City, they'll just choose to ignore it or come back with an unrelated argument. After posting how UNI had knocked down the 2nd out of 3 teams on their way to a Panther State Tuesday on my Facebook account, I had someone I barely even know (Hawk fan) follow it with "what bowl game are the Panthers playing in this year?" Seriously. That is exactly what he replied with. How do you even reason with that?

I get that same stuff as well. From my friends and people I don't know. And now that ISU is going to a bowl game, its always, "We'll send you a postcard from a BCS bowl. or, Your bowl sucks. or, You guys won't even get 10,000 people to a bowl game. or, well we beat you in wrestling. or, All you have is Brackins. etc. etc. etc." It gets very annoying.

[Trapped in California]

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Dave, you can't use logic and facts on a Hawkeye fan. They have such an inflated sense of where their team ranks in the whole scheme of things and such a poor knowledge of the sports world outside of Iowa City, they'll just choose to ignore it or come back with an unrelated argument.

The Hawks still have a better campus bus system than UNI so put that in you pipe and smoke it.

[9YRPLAN]

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i really dont see why the outcome of the game caused this thread to be bumped. i wasnt exactly picking Iowa to win. ISU is bad, iowa is even worse. both teams are playing almost exactly as I had described. the home team almost always wins this game. but if people want to continue your obsession with me, its cool.

[cydave]

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i really dont see why the outcome of the game caused this thread to be bumped. i wasnt exactly picking Iowa to win. ISU is bad, iowa is even worse. both teams are playing almost exactly as I had described. the home team almost always wins this game. but if people want to continue your obsession with me, its cool.

I think that statement might be a bit over the top.

[ubuntuCAT]

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ISU is not bad.... Iowa is TERRIBLE.... oh and I hate the hawkeyes

[9YRPLAN]

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ISU is 7-3 against the 244th highest SOS and they have an RPI off 155.

[UNIpanther99]

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ISU is 7-3 against the 244th highest SOS and they have an RPI off 155.

They have won the games they are supposed to, and lost the games they were supposed to. They are average, but I wouldn't call them bad, at least not yet.

[ubuntuCAT]

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ISU is 7-3 against the 244th highest SOS and they have an RPI off 155.

Which means they are in the middle of division 1 right now. (not bad) and this will go up as they start playing better competition.

[9YRPLAN]

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isu was supposed to lose to a coble-less Northwestern on a neutral court? and to UNI at home?

I guarantee 80% of clone fans had these chalked up as wins.

[cydave]

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ISU is 7-3 against the 244th highest SOS and they have an RPI off 155.

I hate playing the numbers game, but two of our losses were by a combined 5 pts, to a good UNI team and a decent NWSTN team. Cal beat us big time.
I can play the numbers game, since I'm an ISU fan, it seems we find ourselves doing that a lot in football and basketball...

They have won the games they are supposed to, and lost the games they were supposed to. They are average, but I wouldn't call them bad, at least not yet.

This. I would say at this point we are average. Far from BAD and far from Great.
But, I wouldn't say UNI was "supposed" to beat us in Hilton. ISU was 6.5 pt favorites.

It'll be interesting to see how we play against Bradley in a week. Although, I'm not even sure how good Bradley is supposed to be this year, I don't really follow them closely.