I agree with Doug, Mac, and Jake on all of this.

[run&blade]

Re: I agree with Doug, Mac, and Jake on all of this.

He knew he was dead man walking at ISU, he sent Doug to UNI to save him from the media mess that was about to happen.

If Mac was doing well Doug would have gone to ISU, basically he wasn't coming to UNI as it turned out no matter what.

[Blue42]

Re: I agree with Doug, Mac, and Jake on all of this.

I guess I think it sucks that we are left minus one scholly player this late in the game.

And the coaches supposed best friend lured our player away to a rival conference school. LAME

Did Mac think his coaching days were over when he told doug to go to UNI. Did he assume he would not get another job after ISU?

Seems odd.

Mac would have ended up somewhere without doug in 1 or 2 years or was doug planning on leaving whenever dad got the new job?

The biggest oddity is why in the world would Creighton want Mac. I think they could have done much better.

As far as panther basketball goes I think we are still in a great position going forward. We do need a big however!

All very good points.

The biggest one that no one is talking about is why Creighton would have jumped so quickly at this guy? Especially with a deal that rich and with that duration? Didn't they see that movie has already run in Ames. It's not a stretch that there could be a similar result in Omaha.

For a guy who's never won a regular season conference title or an NCAA tournament game, Mac sure gets a hell of a lot of credit as being a great coach.

I know he got UNI going again, but he's not the first guy to turn a loser to a 20 win, one-and-done team.

And he's had an alarming number of departures from his team, which is a program-killer.

[SteinPizza]

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All very good points.

The biggest one that no one is talking about is why Creighton would have jumped so quickly at this guy?

Both the Mac and Hoiberg hires struck me as being awfully quick. It was almost like they were predetermined beforehand. To an extent, they could've been. The CU AD had to have a short list, since Altmann had jumped once before. Same with Pollard, since he probably knew Mac was a lame duck.

In the end, the Mac hire appears to be the better play. Mac has succeeded at that level, and at a school without the resources of CU. Hoiberg's hire strikes me as not well thought out and kind of hasty. Why not conduct a search to see who's interested? In the end, he may have found a top level assistant who was interested. HOWEVER, do you guys think that his experience getting semi-burned by Gene Cizik soured him on going that route? He may have thought that if Hoiberg turns things around, he's not inclined to go anywhere and not care about upward mobility.

[Trapped in California]

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What do you think they are offering Hoiberg - $350 - $450? Beyond that, unless it is all incentive bases, I would believe Pollard is overpaying.

[SteinPizza]

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What do you think they are offering Hoiberg - $350 - $450? Beyond that, unless it is all incentive bases, I would believe Pollard is overpaying.

There's no way you can claim to be a top level program and underpay your head coach like that. $400 would make Hoiberg lower middle in the MVC, right? If that's all ISU is willing to pay their head coach, then they should get out of the Big 12 tomorrow.

[dragon]

Re: I agree with Doug, Mac, and Jake on all of this.

I don't blame Doug wanting to play for his dad or for McDermott getting out while the gettins good in Ames. I'm just disapointed because UNI is the one who loses a recruit this late in the game. I just hope there are still some great players we might be able to sign.

[Trapped in California]

Re: I agree with Doug, Mac, and Jake on all of this.

More based on incentives would be okay, but to start him off on a base more than Jake would be laughable. He has as much coaching experience as I do.

My coaching experience in 500 words or less

- What do you mean you have to go to the bathroom Tommy? Can't you wait until- ahhh f---. Not again.
- No, tackling is not allowed Brett.
- Mr. Johnson, Johnny is not playing because he bit the ref, not because my son is my favorite.

I already have the sports truisms down though -
- To win, we have to score more points
- I need 110% form you
- Can't worry about Earl's Vac Shack - we need to focus on one game at a time, and right now that is Speedy Printing


One thing about crazy Jamie is that he will sell tickets (at least for 1/2 a year).

[SteinPizza]

Re: I agree with Doug, Mac, and Jake on all of this.

More based on incentives would be okay, but to start him off on a base more than Jake would be laughable. He has as much coaching experience as I do.
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I see what you're saying, but in order for ISU to save/keep face, they have to offer a salary on par with the other coaches in their league. If they don't, then they're exposed as going cheap, and that's a great way to alienate your boosters and mess up your perceived image. Let alone lose casual fans.

In order for Fred to be taken seriously, he has to be paid seriously. Otherwise, he's nothing more than a seat warmer, and it shows that ISU is not serious about winning in the Big 12. If they aren't serious, then join the MAC or Horizon League. I wouldn't want them in the MVC for that matter.

One more thing. I've never heard of a coaches' contract that was heavily incentive based. Sure, they make incentives, but the bulk of their pay is base salary, camps, TV shows, etc.

[Trapped in California]

Re: I agree with Doug, Mac, and Jake on all of this.

What do you think they are offering Hoiberg - $350 - $450? Beyond that, unless it is all incentive bases, I would believe Pollard is overpaying.

There's no way you can claim to be a top level program and underpay your head coach like that. $400 would make Hoiberg lower middle in the MVC, right? If that's all ISU is willing to pay their head coach, then they should get out of the Big 12 tomorrow.

$800 K base for Da Mayor (BTW Da Mayor out in the SF Bay area is a pejorative, referencing Willie Brown)

BTW, Mac's original deal (summarized)

ISU men's basketball coach Greg McDermott officially signed his $650,000 contract last week, finalizing the deal that had been expected since his hiring in March.

The six-year contract has a base salary of $225,000, plus guaranteed outside income for the remaining $425,000. McDermott will receive a $50,000 raise in his base salary each year, as well as an unusual package of performance bonuses.

Any bonuses McDermott earns will be added to his salary the following year. There is a possible $250,000 in yearly bonuses, including $50,000 for an NCAA Tournament berth.

[jegbomb52]

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Doug: He is the true loser in all of this, he is a kid, being ridiculed simply for listening to his dad. That sucks for him. I personally hold no grudge against Doug and support him 100% in his endeavors.

Mac: Sorry, respect is gone. Like others have said, I won't be cheering for you (I gave up on that a long time ago), I don't necessarily think this makes you a bad person. I do think however that this puts into question your loyalties to this university, speak all you want, write whatever check you want, the fact that you have made a move twice to directly compete with us when there are over 300 other Division I schools makes me say to you: BOOOOO!!!! Also, the first lesson you have taught your son about College Basketball is to walk away from a committment. To me, that makes you a bad coach. I won't say bad father, but bad coach.

Jake: I want to be pissed as he!! that you let Doug out of his scholly. However, I won't be. He wanted out, he don't want to be here, I for one don't want him here. You are doing what you think is best for your program, however, I would watch my back at your so called "friend." Something tells me you and your program are not as near and dear to him as he and his are to you.

Go Panther!

[06panther10]

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Doug: He is the true loser in all of this, he is a kid, being ridiculed simply for listening to his dad. That sucks for him. I personally hold no grudge against Doug and support him 100% in his endeavors.

Mac: Sorry, respect is gone. Like others have said, I won't be cheering for you (I gave up on that a long time ago), I don't necessarily think this makes you a bad person. I do think however that this puts into question your loyalties to this university, speak all you want, write whatever check you want, the fact that you have made a move twice to directly compete with us when there are over 300 other Division I schools makes me say to you: BOOOOO!!!! Also, the first lesson you have taught your son about College Basketball is to walk away from a committment. To me, that makes you a bad coach. I won't say bad father, but bad coach.

Jake: I want to be pissed as he!! that you let Doug out of his scholly. However, I won't be. He wanted out, he don't want to be here, I for one don't want him here. You are doing what you think is best for your program, however, I would watch my back at your so called "friend." Something tells me you and your program are not as near and dear to him as he and his are to you.

Go Panther!

I think the bolded point is important. And I think that is how most UNI fans feel as well. This is not Dougs fault, and we are not really upset with him. This is all on Greg.

[UNIAlum95]

Re: I agree with Doug, Mac, and Jake on all of this.

Doug: He is the true loser in all of this, he is a kid, being ridiculed simply for listening to his dad. That sucks for him. I personally hold no grudge against Doug and support him 100% in his endeavors.

Mac: Sorry, respect is gone. Like others have said, I won't be cheering for you (I gave up on that a long time ago), I don't necessarily think this makes you a bad person. I do think however that this puts into question your loyalties to this university, speak all you want, write whatever check you want, the fact that you have made a move twice to directly compete with us when there are over 300 other Division I schools makes me say to you: BOOOOO!!!! Also, the first lesson you have taught your son about College Basketball is to walk away from a commitment. To me, that makes you a bad coach. I won't say bad father, but bad coach.

Jake: I want to be pissed as he!! that you let Doug out of his scholly. However, I won't be. He wanted out, he don't want to be here, I for one don't want him here. You are doing what you think is best for your program, however, I would watch my back at your so called "friend." Something tells me you and your program are not as near and dear to him as he and his are to you.

Go Panther!

I can't fault Mac for jumping to CU. He was going to get canned in a year or two at the most. This is a golden opportunity for him. Now where I lose the respect is that he yanked his kid out from under UNI and his "friend" Jake. As others have said if he was as classy as he wants to believe he would have told Doug to honor his commitment. Yes it might be weird a couple of times a year but deal with it, that's the bed that GMac made and he should have to sleep in it.

All the folks at UNI handled this with class but I have a feeling Mac has burned some bridges with this move. Maybe not with Jake but I have a feeling that others in the department will be very wary in dealing with Mac in the future.

[SteinPizza]

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Mac: Also, the first lesson you have taught your son about College Basketball is to walk away from a committment. To me, that makes you a bad coach. I won't say bad father, but bad coach.

Mac should ONLY be as commited to ISU as they are to him. That's the exact same way any employment relationship should work. Someone in another thread brought up a good point, that the swiftness of the hire meant Pollard had been giving serious thought to Hoiberg for awhile, and had a mechanism in place to make it happen. All the more reason for Mac to be smart and bail out.

Don't think for a second that the boosters and AD at ISU wouldn't have fired Mac in a heartbeat sometime soon, and may have done so this year without the economic downturn. That's why any talk of Mac "skipping on a committment" is just plain off base. It's called "employment at will" on both sides for a reason. The "skipping" talk is in the same category as demeaning Mac for taking a job because of money - effing BS.

[TravelingPanther]

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I think the bolded point is important. And I think that is how most UNI fans feel as well. This is not Dougs fault, and we are not really upset with him. This is all on Greg.

It would be better if Doug would keep his mouth shut.

[UNI83]

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It would be better if Doug would keep his mouth shut.

Yep....his tweets about "Can't wait to be a bluejay" or "proud to be a bluejay" don't really make this any easier to accept.