I agree with Doug, Mac, and Jake on all of this.

[jegbomb52]

Re: I agree with Doug, Mac, and Jake on all of this.

Mac should ONLY be as commited to ISU as they are to him. That's the exact same way any employment relationship should work. Someone in another thread brought up a good point, that the swiftness of the hire meant Pollard had been giving serious thought to Hoiberg for awhile, and had a mechanism in place to make it happen. All the more reason for Mac to be smart and bail out.

Don't think for a second that the boosters and AD at ISU wouldn't have fired Mac in a heartbeat sometime soon, and may have done so this year without the economic downturn. That's why any talk of Mac "skipping on a committment" is just plain off base. It's called "employment at will" on both sides for a reason. The "skipping" talk is in the same category as demeaning Mac for taking a job because of money - effing BS.

The lesson I was speaking of about was not G Mac walking out on ISU, that is business, I was speaking of the lesson of encouraging, or not discouraging, his son from walking away his original commitment. I should have been more clear.

[GonzoCat]

Re: I agree with Doug, Mac, and Jake on all of this.

Everyone but Stein knew what you were talking about Jeg. Stein you seem to come in here and take pot shots at individual posts without bothering to read the whole thread to gain some context. Maybe that's because you are too busy, good for you.

Of course many at ISU wanted GM gone. You don't get to hold a job 4 years very many places anymore while underperforming expectations the whole time. Your employment at will comment I've seen you post a couple times now doesn't apply to GM, he had an employment contract. ISU would have had to pay him $2.5 million to fire him which is most likely why he wasn't fired yet. On the other side Mac broke the contract and CU or Mac himself has to pay ISU $800K for breaking his contract unless they were able to negotiate that down or out somehow.

[TH1974]

Re: I agree with Doug, Mac, and Jake on all of this.

ISU would have had to pay him $2.5 million to fire him which is most likely why he wasn't fired yet. On the other side Mac broke the contract and CU or Mac himself has to pay ISU $800K for breaking his contract unless they were able to negotiate that down or out somehow.

Right, and that's exactly what's going to happen. I'm not sure what the big deal is for you.

[GonzoCat]

Re: I agree with Doug, Mac, and Jake on all of this.

Are you and Stein the same person or what? Why do you deep interjecting yourself in conversations between he and I? Especially considering you don't seem to understand what the conversation was about or know what you are talking about.

Let me try to explain it to you very slowly. Stein has stated a couple times that GM was an employee at will and therefore had no commitment to ISU. I was correcting him on that misconception. None of it is a big deal to me. What is the big deal to you?

[SteinPizza]

Re: I agree with Doug, Mac, and Jake on all of this.

Stein has stated a couple times that GM was an employee at will and therefore had no commitment to ISU. I was correcting him on that misconception. None of it is a big deal to me. What is the big deal to you?

What I meant by "employment at will" is that either side is free to terminate their arrangement at any time. In other words, the opposite of indentured servitude. Or, put another way, the opposite of tenure (potshot at unions and the NEA intended). In other words, no real guarantees on either side, and both look out for #1 within reason. Coaching contracts don't carry a lot of weight, you have to admit. If they did, then they'd be far more unbreakable on both sides. The only contract I can think of in sports that is more flimsy belong to NFL players.

As for me taking potshots at people, that's your interpretation. I meant the "effing BS" comment more towards the mindset in general, not Jeg in particular (appologies to Jeg if it came across the other way). People are taking potshots at Mac and his kid. To those that are, I disagree with 90% of what you're saying, and I'm just serving up an opposing, and IMO, correct view.

[Newt99]

Re: I agree with Doug, Mac, and Jake on all of this.

Great post, 789. Exactly how I feel. Your post should be required reading for all PN members. All the rest of our comments in this thread are just filler.

[NI hawk]

Re: I agree with Doug, Mac, and Jake on all of this.

I think it is a very unique situation, no doubt about that. Jake is undoubtedly in a very hard place. I don't think he can or should force Doug McDermott to play for UNI if he knows that Doug really doesn't want to be here any longer.

To be honest though, I think it is bush league for Greg McDermott to but Jake in that type of situation, best friends or not. I think it is entirely appropriate for Doug McDermott to sit out the required two years before he can actually suit up for his dad.

What bothers me a lot is that this is a win-win-win situation for Creighton, Iowa State and Greg McDermott, but a big loss for a school that shouldn't be affected, Northern Iowa. We pay a penalty for doing nothing wrong other than being the school where a talented recruit originally signed with before his dad's employment status changed.

Well put UNIChippewa.