Fred Hoiberg hired as ISU's new coach!

[Kyle]

Re: Fred Hoiberg hired as ISU's new coach!

Newsbreaker....you strike me as being very smart and I think you know what you are talking about, and more often than not I agree with you. But Good God man, you also strike me as being an exceptionally arrogant and abrasive prick, to be quite frank. Don't you think you can make your point or disagree with someone without insulting their intelligence, demeaning their manhood or disparaging where they went to school? Do you intentionally go about trying to piss people off on here all the time? If you do, that is truly sad.

Man, if you're like this in real life I bet you're a blast at cocktail parties.....

Newsy is a lot like Matt Perrault; well spoken and intelligent, but also very cocky and supercilious. This combo pisses nearly everyone off at one point or another.

My guess is he doesn't act like this at all in real life.

[96' Alum]

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[QUOTE=Newsbreaker;228614]I went to UNI. You might have guessed that because I'm a UNI fan on a UNI message board. It would be a safe assumption, in any case. I also attended a NBA game once. In fact, I had season tickets. I tell High School kids that and they'll do just about anything I tell them after that.[/QUOTE

Newsy, puhlease, you are a Hawk fan, first and foremost.

That's fine, but don't lie, I would say it's beneath you, but I have read a lot of what you have written so.......

[GonzoCat]

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[I]This move isn't without precedent, Houston tried something similar with Clyde Drexler a decade or so ago. That worked out pretty well.[/I]

I don't know if you were serious or not, but it didn't work out pretty well, not at all. The Glide had two losing seasons before he "resigned".

As a dual UNI/ISU fan, that is my big worry with Fred Hoiberg, that he could be Clyde Drexler 2.0.

Sorry, sometimes when I think it is so obvious no one could possibly miss it I neglect to use the sarcasm smilie.

As I pointed out, the NBA related qualities that are being used to justifiy the hiring of Fred, Clyde had 100 fold over him. Add to that he had a huge metro area that probably turns out 5 times as many DI players every year as the state of Iowa, where he was similarly adored, to recruit in.

Point being, I don't think those qualities count for squat in terms of success coaching college bb. Still anything is possible so maybe Fred can get the job done. I want ISU to lose to UNI, Drake, and Iowa, but I wish them well in the B12. I may even root for them over Creighton at this point.

[96' Alum]

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Cy, I asked a question very similar to TH in another thread. To me, "high reward" has little to do with stability. It's all about winning a championship. To that end, who's more likely to win you a Big 12 title? Fred Hoiberg, a guy like Billy Gillespie, or the top assistant at North Carolina (as an example)? IMO, the the later two have FAR more "high reward" potential.

Who knows, maybe Hoiberg works out? However, IMO, you guys should've opened up the HR department and conducted a national search. If Pollard feels a little burnt by hiring a top flight assistant (Chizek) only to have him bail out shortly thereafter - too bad, that's how the game is played.

I think the biggest thing is that if Hoiberg can win, then he will stay for a long time. That is the reward. As you have seen with UNI, the stability from McDermott to Coach Jake was a big part in the success of the past two years.

I don't think that realistically Iowa State, or Iowa, are destination jobs in the world of college basketball (sorry to the Hawk fans that think McCaffery is all of a sudden going to turn that mess around).

The other thing with this hire is that Mac the awful not only decimated the Iowa State program, he divided the fanbase. He was beginning to pit the fans against the AD because he sucked so bad (KARMA).

The "Mayor" may go up in flames in the next four years, but he might not.....The best part for him is that Mac the destroyer totalled that program to the point that they were going to be Iowa bad next year, if not worse. Freddie gets two years before anything will be truly expected. And in that case, if they just show improvement after Mac the merciless to injured players nuclear winter approach to program building, he will get more.

It is much easier on the fans to be bad the first year than it is the fifth year. People will show up to see if he can do it.....

I am still amazed at the stupidity of the AD at Creighton......What an idiot. Thank you, one less power team in the MVC to worry about.

[cydave]

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Sorry, sometimes when I think it is so obvious no one could possibly miss it I neglect to use the sarcasm smilie.

As I pointed out, the NBA related qualities that are being used to justifiy the hiring of Fred, Clyde had 100 fold over him. Add to that he had a huge metro area that probably turns out 5 times as many DI players every year as the state of Iowa, where he was similarly adored, to recruit in.

Point being, I don't think those qualities count for squat in terms of success coaching college bb. Still anything is possible so maybe Fred can get the job done. I want ISU to lose to UNI, Drake, and Iowa, but I wish them well in the B12. I may even root for them over Creighton at this point.

Fair post. But, I think it would be much harder to recruit to Houston than it would be to ISU, especially from a local standpoint. Look at who Houston is recruiting against, 4 Big 12 schools in the same state and a flurry of other Division 1 schools. ISU is recruiting against Iowa and UNI..

You can say what you want about having an NBA background helping or not in recruiting, but it certainly doesn't hurt and I think it's a nice tool to use and have, not to mention the list of contacts those guys have.
All of the current ISU players seem to be liking it as none of them are transferring and 1 or 2 are wanting to come back.
The players are just as excited as the fans are, expressed through many quotes like this one from Dendy:
“This is very exciting. He’s been through what we’ve been through,” Dendy said. “He’s been to the upper level. I just can’t wait. I couldn’t sleep last night.”

Fred Hoiberg hasn’t ever been a head coach before. How many times have you heard that earth shattering news today? Dendy said that Hoiberg’s NBA experience makes up for it.

“I know that he isn’t going to tell us anything wrong. He’s been through the situation. He knows what to do and how to do it,” Dendy said. “If he tells you something, you can be mad or happy about it but you know he’s telling you the right thing.”

[SteinPizza]

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As I pointed out, the NBA related qualities that are being used to justifiy the hiring of Fred, Clyde had 100 fold over him. Add to that he had a huge metro area that probably turns out 5 times as many DI players every year as the state of Iowa, where he was similarly adored, to recruit in.

Point being, I don't think those qualities count for squat in terms of success coaching college bb.

I agree. About the only thing you could point to is exposure to more sophisticated schemes in the NBA. Even that may not help you in terms of adjusting games plans on the fly and in front of 15,000 fans and a TV audience. That said, Xs and Os don't mean jack for recruiting, which is what college sports is all about.

If Fred succeeds, it could launch a precedent for NBA front office types and assistant coaches being lured back to their alma maters. That assumes the NBA front office people actually played college basketball. The NBA coach I could see, but the front office person jumping to a college team is unheard of, right?

[cydave]

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I think the biggest thing is that if Hoiberg can win, then he will stay for a long time. That is the reward. As you have seen with UNI, the stability from McDermott to Coach Jake was a big part in the success of the past two years.

I don't think that realistically Iowa State, or Iowa, are destination jobs in the world of college basketball (sorry to the Hawk fans that think McCaffery is all of a sudden going to turn that mess around).

The other thing with this hire is that Mac the awful not only decimated the Iowa State program, he divided the fanbase. He was beginning to pit the fans against the AD because he sucked so bad (KARMA).

The "Mayor" may go up in flames in the next four years, but he might not.....The best part for him is that Mac the destroyer totalled that program to the point that they were going to be Iowa bad next year, if not worse. Freddie gets two years before anything will be truly expected. And in that case, if they just show improvement after Mac the merciless to injured players nuclear winter approach to program building, he will get more.

It is much easier on the fans to be bad the first year than it is the fifth year. People will show up to see if he can do it.....

I am still amazed at the stupidity of the AD at Creighton......What an idiot. Thank you, one less power team in the MVC to worry about.

You don't like him, do you?

[96' Alum]

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Sorry, sometimes when I think it is so obvious no one could possibly miss it I neglect to use the sarcasm smilie.

As I pointed out, the NBA related qualities that are being used to justifiy the hiring of Fred, Clyde had 100 fold over him. Add to that he had a huge metro area that probably turns out 5 times as many DI players every year as the state of Iowa, where he was similarly adored, to recruit in.

Point being, I don't think those qualities count for squat in terms of success coaching college bb. Still anything is possible so maybe Fred can get the job done. I want ISU to lose to UNI, Drake, and Iowa, but I wish them well in the B12. I may even root for them over Creighton at this point.

I lived in the area, and know a lot of UH alums....Glide is and was a hero, but his heart was never in coaching....He was bored after retirement, and he wanted to do something that put him in the public eye.

He didn't have the heart for it, one of the reasons that he left was because he wasn't cut out for it, and he knew that. Plus he never finished his degree, which was one of the stipulations when he was hired.

I agree that Freddie's "NBA connections" aren't that big of a deal. The question is if he is committed, and has the ability to address his weaknesses. If it is a "real" career path for him, then he can succeed.

It all remains to be seen....

[GonzoCat]

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I think if Fred Hoiberg is able to be successful at ISU, coming from a background of no coaching experience, it will severly devalue the job of college basketball coach. Which would actually be a good thing.

[Newsbreaker]

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Newsy is a lot like Matt Perrault; well spoken and intelligent, but also very cocky and supercilious. This combo pisses nearly everyone off at one point or another.

My guess is he doesn't act like this at all in real life.

That may or may not be a safe guess.

It's a message board, folks. Maybe it's because I'm smarter than almost all of you (<-------------------------), but I probably get worked up less than anyone else around here during these threads. It's all for fun...well, except for when dealing with this dave guy, who clearly wants to test out Iowa's new gay marriage rights for himself.

Back on-topic. ISU is better off than a week ago. They went from "certain failure" to "likely failure". Hiring a ham sandwich could have accomplished the same thing, especially if it was a sandwich purchased from an NBA concession stand.

[ubuntuCAT]

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Anyone think Troy Dannen has worked out as Athletic Director?

Correct me if I'm wrong but he had never worked or participated in College athletics prior to becoming the AD at UNI right?

Wasn't Hoiberg working as an assistant for the T-Wolves for one season?

[Khan4Cats]

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Panthernation has to be about the only board where non-germaine rivalries get carried on with regularity.

Iowa-Iowa State
BYU-Utah
North Dakota-North Dakota State
North Dakota State-South Dakota State
I think we have had Bradley-Illinois State, Wichita State-Creighton, SIU-Creighton, WSU-MSU battles and a host of others.

Not carried out by Panther fans, but by fans of these schools.

Weird.

[williebat]

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Anyone think Troy Dannen has worked out as Athletic Director?

Correct me if I'm wrong but he had never worked or participated in College athletics prior to becoming the AD at UNI right?

Wasn't Hoiberg working as an assistant for the T-Wolves for one season?

Lame that they fired Grayer. He along with hoiberg are ISU legends. Seems sad to treat someone who helped ISU so much this way. I know he was only hired for like 2 days but still.

[06panther10]

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Panthernation has to be about the only board where non-germaine rivalries get carried on with regularity.

Iowa-Iowa State
BYU-Utah
North Dakota-North Dakota State
North Dakota State-South Dakota State
I think we have had Bradley-Illinois State, Wichita State-Creighton, SIU-Creighton, WSU-MSU battles and a host of others.

Not carried out by Panther fans, but by fans of these schools.

Weird.

you forgot NY vs Chicago style pizza.

[UNIChippewa]

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Lame that they fired Grayer. He along with hoiberg are ISU legends. Seems sad to treat someone who helped ISU so much this way. I know he was only hired for like 2 days but still.

They DIDN'T fire Grayer. It was announced a couple of days ago, almost right after the Hoiberg announcement that he will be kept. In what role I'm not sure yet, but he is still on staff.