Fred Hoiberg hired as ISU's new coach!

[Panther789]

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LOfreakingL. That's it, huh? Just selling yourself. Just like picking up chicks. Plus, you just get good assistants. Most programs don't need that, so there are tons of good assistants just sitting around, waiting to go work for a coach who has never run a program before. Has "Good Recruiting Assistants R' Us" opened in Ames yet?

Let's look at the Assistants he has already. Tons of recruiting and coaching experience there.

All he has to do is recruit though. Just do it. Easy.



You're comparing him to the two of us. This doesn't strike you as odd? The new head men's basketball coach at a major division I college is being seriously compared to the accomplishments of the two of us, and that's the primary justification for his selection as coach?

That is incredible. And hilarious. Mostly hilarious.



LOL part deux. That's the comparison you are forced to make? Hoiberg or the head man at some school with fourteen hyphens in the name? Good thing there wasn't a range of choices between those two.

Let's go back to the year 2000. Iowa State is the 2 seed and within mere moments of the Final Four. Now, if I would have told you on that date that ten years later ISU fans will be defending their new head coach on the basis that he's better than a 1A high school coach and has studied more film than two random jerks on a message board, would you have laughed? I would have.

This might be the greatest fun I've ever had on here.

I gotta hand it to ya. You really dominated UNIGriff/Griffitz/Purrrrrrfect/SpanishMoon here. I can see where that would be fun.

[Purrrrrfect]

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Honesty i only have been under unigriff and this and thats only because I couldnt remember my password for unigriff after i had been gone for a long time....i still do not know who the other two are.

[cydave]

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That's great if he's recruiting kids who are wanting to play in the NBA. However, his job is to recruit players to play - and hopefully (for him and Cyclone Nation) win - for Iowa State University. Those goals may be at cross-purposes to each other. And Fred's not the only coach who knows what it takes to get to the NBA.

It's a bit of a risk for Fred to take. If he doesn't win, his popularity is going to nosedive.

Yes, you are right, other coaches do know what it takes to get to the NBA. But, it always helps to have first hand experience. Young kids like people who have first hand experience, rather than having to "take their word for it".
And if he doesn't win, it will be tough to fire him, but I guarantee both him and the fans will be understanding. Just because he couldn't win doesn't mean we are going to throw him under the bus and hate him. He really can't do much worse than Mac...

No, I didn't play past bb past junior high, I stated as much in the post you quoted. If you are going to quote something learn to first read it. That lack of playing experience notwithstanding, you cannot completely rule out the possibility that I could be an outstanding coach for ISU, but the odds are I would not. Similarly the odds are Fred won't, but anything is possible. Good luck, I like the hire. Odds are it means ISU will continue to be a non-factor in bb among Iowa universities, which helps UNI.

I said before Fred is tremendously popular in the greater Ames area. Anywhere else in the country, not so much. I am more popular with my friends who are not ISU fans than him, and on a good day my wife would say I have more charisma. Of course she, like 99.999% of the populace would not know who Fred is.

This move isn't without precedent, Houston tried something similar with Clyde Drexler a decade or so ago. That worked out pretty well. The glide had a much more successful college and NBA career, was selected as one of the top 50 players in NBA history, was about 100 times more well known on a national basis, and had a major metro area where he was worshiped to recruit in. All he had to do was win.

Why are the odd's greater that he won't succeed? If you ask me, his odds are 50/50. His odds aren't different than any other coach that would have been hired, they are just unknown. If we hired Gillispie, who's to say he would have a tough time winning at ISU or jumping ship after a year or two. You take risks with every hire that is made, in this case the risk might be a little higher, but that doesn't change the odds at him succeeding or not.

Nobody knows who Fred Hoiberg is outside of Ames?? I think you'd be surprised. Just because your wife and a couple of buddies don't know who he is doesn't mean people don't know him. He has connections all over the place.

[cydave]

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Sounds like he's perfectly suited to evaluating, recruiting and compiling talent in an NBA organization.

Unfortunately the Big XII hasn't been added as the third professional conference just yet, and getting kids to come to a college to play isn't anywhere near the same process as signing professionals to play. Thank the good Lord he's coming from what might be the worst professional organization in the NBA! At least you've got that!

FWIW, I ask for a link when one would prove useful. The links you asked for would not. I thought the whole "link" thing was pretty self-explanatory. I guess not.

Good talent does come to the Big 12 to hopefully make it in the NBA. It's his job to sell it to a recruit that he can make them better and help them to the next level. Having first hand exerience is a plus in that category.

And who cares if he came from, what might be the worst, NBA organization. It's still the NBA. Are you one of those guys that thinks a National Champion in the NCAA or BCS can beat the worst NBA or NFL team???

[Cat80]

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Sort of a bizarre thread, IMHO. All this does is potentially start the ISU rebuild job by a year by starting with a fresh face. That's it. Other than that, it's just like last season, I hope the Clones go 0-30 only because the more chaos in Ames and Iowa City means a better environment for UNI to be successful. I'm incredibly selfish that way.

[Newsbreaker]

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Good talent does come to the Big 12 to hopefully make it in the NBA. It's his job to sell it to a recruit that he can make them better and help them to the next level. Having first hand exerience is a plus in that category.

And who cares if he came from, what might be the worst, NBA organization. It's still the NBA. Are you one of those guys that thinks a National Champion in the NCAA or BCS can beat the worst NBA or NFL team???

That last paragraph makes absolutely no sense.

Not every kid he's going to recruit is an NBA prospect. Most aren't, and he's nto recruiting them to the NBA. I'm not sure that "Hey, kid, I'm not in the NBA, but I know some people there, so come play for me and I'll put a good word in for ya" is very effective. If it were, every college staff in the country would be staffed with former NBA'ers. Think for a minute why they aren't.

[cydave]

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That last paragraph makes absolutely no sense.

Not every kid he's going to recruit is an NBA prospect. Most aren't, and he's nto recruiting them to the NBA. I'm not sure that "Hey, kid, I'm not in the NBA, but I know some people there, so come play for me and I'll put a good word in for ya" is very effective. If it were, every college staff in the country would be staffed with former NBA'ers. Think for a minute why they aren't.

You're the one that said he was coming from the worst NBA organization.
I said, who cares what organization he came from, the NBA is the NBA.
I know not every kid is going to be an NBA prospect, but for the ones who have dreams of going that way, then it helps to have a former NBA player recruiting them. They know what it takes to get the job done. Of course it isn't the entire recruiting pitch to make to a kid, but its a big one for somebody who has big goals.
You can't think like you would yourself, you need to put yourself in the shoes of a kid out of high school that is looking for a program to help them get better and help them reach their goals.

[cydave]

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Sort of a bizarre thread, IMHO. All this does is potentially start the ISU rebuild job by a year by starting with a fresh face. That's it. Other than that, it's just like last season, I hope the Clones go 0-30 only because the more chaos in Ames and Iowa City means a better environment for UNI to be successful. I'm incredibly selfish that way.

It seems like I read on here that a lot of people are wanting ISU and Iowa to get better because it only helps you guys in terms of having quality opponents. Now, you want us to suck and go winless? If that were the case, you'd be wanting us taken off your schedule because it does nothing for you.
Playing good teams is better than playing horrible teams.
If I were you guys' I'd want both ISU and Iowa to start improving so it strengthens your non-conference schedule.

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You're the one that said he was coming from the worst NBA organization.
I said, who cares what organization he came from, the NBA is the NBA.
I know not every kid is going to be an NBA prospect, but for the ones who have dreams of going that way, then it helps to have a former NBA player recruiting them. They know what it takes to get the job done. Of course it isn't the entire recruiting pitch to make to a kid, but its a big one for somebody who has big goals.
You can't think like you would yourself, you need to put yourself in the shoes of a kid out of high school that is looking for a program to help them get better and help them reach their goals.

I just checked. Duke doesn't have a single former NBA player on their coaching staff. They're missing out on this key advantage. Kids will respond to it. Or maybe Duke isn't interested in kids with NBA aspirations.

I've grown bored of this. You have been embarrassed, and it's not fair because you've already had an embarrassing week. Plus you probably went to Iowa State, which makes me picking on you unfair and a little mean. Unless the subject is (1)dirt; (2)pig's feet; or (3)fat girls in flannel who need some love, there isn't a subject I won't slap your around over. I should apologize.




But I won't.

[SpanishMoon]

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I just watched the press conference and this was not a 1 day hire. 4 years ago when WM was fired, Hoiberg had contacted JP and expressed interest in the job, but JP didn't feel it was the right time for him to be coach so he went after Mac. During the last 4 years, Hoiberg set up a plan and studied coaching. When JP interviewed Hoiberg a couple days ago, Hoiberg told JP exactly what he wanted to hear and he got hired.
So, it's not like they talked once and "poof" he was hired.
Fred knows that he has to surround himself with a great cast of assistant coaches. He has all kinds of connections across the nation in both college and the NBA.

I heard he promised Jamie that he would "try really, really, hard." And that if any players got out of line he was not above giving them a "good talking to."

[cydave]

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I just checked. Duke doesn't have a single former NBA player on their coaching staff. They're missing out on this key advantage. Kids will respond to it. Or maybe Duke isn't interested in kids with NBA aspirations.

I've grown bored of this. You have been embarrassed, and it's not fair because you've already had an embarrassing week. Plus you probably went to Iowa State, which makes me picking on you unfair and a little mean. Unless the subject is (1)dirt; (2)pig's feet; or (3)fat girls in flannel who need some love, there isn't a subject I won't slap your around over. I should apologize.




But I won't.

Comparing ISU to Duke??? There are only a few programs in college basketball that can compare to Duke.
I never said being a former NBA player is the ONE AND ONLY thing that is needed for recruiting. I simply said, it can't hurt and will help in recruiting. If you don't think being a former NBA player won't help anything, then you are being very ignorant.

I've been embarrassed?? LOL ok?? Yeah, I'm really embarrassed as I got into an argument on a message board...
We had an embarrassing week?? By who's standards? Yours? Wow, that really makes me sad and depressed. How was this week embarrassing? Really, please tell me.
Yes, I did go to ISU. What does that have to do with anything? And there isn't a subject that you won't slap me around over?? LOL, wow I'd place the "internet tough guy" picture up.............


But I won't.

By they way you are talking and acting so tough, I bet you went to college at DMACC or never graduated high school.
You seem really defensive and angry, maybe you should just step back and relax.
Your last post really says a lot about you.... I should apologize.

And I will. I'm sorry.

[cydave]

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I heard he promised Jamie that he would "try really, really, hard." And that if any players got out of line he was not above giving them a "good talking to."

Good post.
It seems as though a lot of people already have a problem with you on this board, so I won't even bother.

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You're right, almost nobody can compare to Duke. You'd think the highest-level program in the country would take advantage of the advantage ISU is availing themselves of. Considering it's the only quality Hoiberg possesses which makes him even arguably qualified to take the Head Coach's job - being as it's the only think this hire is apparently based on, other than freaking out the freakies in Ames - this "NBA connection" must be a serious advantage. I can't understand how Duke, with all the former NBA players in their alumni base, and with all the future NBA'ers they want to attract, would fail to take advantage of this.

I guess this is why the people who go to Iowa State go to Iowa State and the people who go to Duke go to Duke. You guys have some stuff figured out.

I've been telling you how this is embarrassing for the past three pages.

I bet you went to college at DMACC or never graduated high school.

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Good. You've been destroyed in this thread by an uneducated rube. That alternate reality somehow makes you feel better than getting your e-face slapped by someone who is highly educated. Well done!

[cydave]

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You're right, almost nobody can compare to Duke. You'd think the highest-level program in the country would take advantage of the advantage ISU is availing themselves of. Considering it's the only quality Hoiberg possesses which makes him even arguably qualified to take the Head Coach's job - being as it's the only think this hire is apparently based on, other than freaking out the freakies in Ames - this "NBA connection" must be a serious advantage. I can't understand how Duke, with all the former NBA players in their alumni base, and with all the future NBA'ers they want to attract, would fail to take advantage of this.

I guess this is why the people who go to Iowa State go to Iowa State and the people who go to Duke go to Duke. You guys have some stuff figured out.

I've been telling you how this is embarrassing for the past three pages.



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Good. You've been destroyed in this thread by an uneducated rube. That alternate reality somehow makes you feel better than getting your e-face slapped by someone who is highly educated. Well done!

Why would Duke need to hire anybody else besides Coach K. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Playing in the NBA will only HELP in recruiting and having "been there, done that".
I'm pretty sure most people in Ames are cautiously optimistic with the hire. They are happy a Cyclone legend is back and gets the chance to coach ISU, but they are also concerned because of lack of head coaching experience. This can be taken care of by hiring a great supporting cast, and he knows that. I have no doubt in my mind that he will find 2 more great assistant coaches to help him out, especially with his contacts.

No, please come out and tell me how I have embarrassed myself..??? All you say, is you have been embarrassed, without giving me a reason why.
Am I embarrassed that ISU ripped of Creighton with an awful fire, and we still got paid 800K for having them take away a coach that we wanted fired in the first place? No.
Am I embarrassed that Fred Hoiberg was hired as our head coach? No.
What else should I be embarrassed by?? I'm still waiting for an answer.

I've been destroyed in this thread? Who says?? you? Because you feel like you won a message board argument against me? Is that you biggest achievement in life? Beating people in internet battles? Wow, cool, sweet life...

And did you really just say, "e-face slapped"??? BAHAHAHA!! This coming from somebody who probably has cybersex with an E-vagina?

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This can be taken care of by hiring a great supporting cast

Oh, that's it? Well that should be as easy as "just win."

The folks in Ames should be a bit nervous about the lack of coaching experience. I won't let those crazy broads at Capri College touch my hair, but even they have more experience doing what they're doing than ol Farmer Fred does!

Hilton will be packed next year, everyone in Ames will revel in their former glory, they'll get their heads beat in, and Pollard will have accomplished the only thing he cares about - butts in seats.

Here, I'll give you a link to how you've embarrassed yourself: http://www.panthernation.com/showthread.php?t=32420

You're bad at this. "Is that you biggest achievement in life?" Where did I say this was the biggest achievement in my life? Hell, it's not the most important thing I'm doing right now. Still, if this were prison, you'd be walking around with a finger in my pocket. Then I'd trade you for smokes.