Fred Hoiberg hired as ISU's new coach!

[06panther10]

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At the very least, he has been a successful coach on TV. And thats more than what Hoiberg can say...

[GonzoCat]

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how long was it between Mac's resignation and Jake's promotion?
I don't recall that being any more than 24 hours.

It's different when it involves an in-house promotion. Those have usually been in the plan for a while, as Jake's was, and don't take very long. In these two cases both hires were done almost immediately without any real search and both are fairly risky hires. Time will tell.

[SteinPizza]

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It's different when it involves an in-house promotion. Those have usually been in the plan for a while, as Jake's was, and don't take very long. In these two cases both hires were done almost immediately without any real search and both are fairly risky hires. Time will tell.

Mac wasn't near as much of a risk. He'd had success at a program in CU's conference, and without the resources at CU's disposal. At UNI, he made chicken salad from chicken s#%t.

Hoiberg is the polar opposite. Huge risk, and seemed to be a hasty and not well thought out hire. Risk is fine, but what's the upside? Hoiberg has no more upside than some former HC looking to resurrect his career, or some up and coming assistant from a big time program. To put it another way - a guy with coaching experience is far more capable of hitting a grand slam homer than Hoiberg, who MIGHT get lucky and have his bat make solid contact with the ball.

[UNIPNTHR]

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Huge risk, and seemed to be a hasty and not well thought out hire.

Just out of curiosity, why does it seem hasty and not well though out?

I'm just thinking that it's not out of the realm to think that Pollard and Hoiberg have been in communication about this move for several months. It's no secret that Hoiberg wanted to be a college coach at some point in his career. The job opened up and Jamie picks up the phone to ask if he's ready to take the plunge.

[UNIAlum95]

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Mac wasn't near as much of a risk. He'd had success at a program in CU's conference, and without the resources at CU's disposal. At UNI, he made chicken salad from chicken s#%t.

Hoiberg is the polar opposite. Huge risk, and seemed to be a hasty and not well thought out hire. Risk is fine, but what's the upside? Hoiberg has no more upside than some former HC looking to resurrect his career, or some up and coming assistant from a big time program. To put it another way - a guy with coaching experience is far more capable of hitting a grand slam homer than Hoiberg, who MIGHT get lucky and have his bat make solid contact with the ball.

It is a risky hire but one that gives JP a lot of flexibility. This hire INSTANTLY excites the Clone fan base by bringing their cult hero back. Hoiberg is more important to ISU fans than Armstrong is to Iowa. He will have about a 3 year pass on performance as long as they are competitive and if it doesn't work out down the road, they can conduct a bigger search at a better hiring time. I personally think JP is an a$$ but this is a good hire on his part given the timing and circumstances.

[cydave]

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I just watched the press conference and this was not a 1 day hire. 4 years ago when WM was fired, Hoiberg had contacted JP and expressed interest in the job, but JP didn't feel it was the right time for him to be coach so he went after Mac. During the last 4 years, Hoiberg set up a plan and studied coaching. When JP interviewed Hoiberg a couple days ago, Hoiberg told JP exactly what he wanted to hear and he got hired.
So, it's not like they talked once and "poof" he was hired.
Fred knows that he has to surround himself with a great cast of assistant coaches. He has all kinds of connections across the nation in both college and the NBA.

[GonzoCat]

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Mac wasn't near as much of a risk. He'd had success at a program in CU's conference, and without the resources at CU's disposal. At UNI, he made chicken salad from chicken s#%t.

Risky because for the past 4 years he has shown that he can recruit good players, but can't hold on to many of them and can't coach the ones he does hold on to.

I think this theory of many that it takes a completely different type player and system to win at the B12 level as opposed to the MVC level is vastly exaggerated. Most of the coaches considered great have won at every level they were at. Instead I've come to believe that much of Mac's success at earlier jobs was largely due to his top assistant. At a minimum I believe Jake is definitely a better coach than Mac, and a better person. Maybe that's all wishful thinking on my part, it's not worth debating opinions on it. As with all things, time will tell.

[AmesPanther]

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Hoiberg is the polar opposite. Huge risk, and seemed to be a hasty and not well thought out hire. Risk is fine, but what's the upside?

It's almost exactly like the Rhoads hire. Rhoads asked for the job 2 years before and was on JP short list the whole time. Hoiberg asked for the job 4 years ago and JP had plenty of time to mull it over. Plus with this last season Mac had JP had to have been thinking about a replacement for most of the season.

The upside is immediate butts in the seats. Hilton will be packed; at least for a while. TJ pulled some pretty good recruits for Mac. When he can sell up tempo and NBA connections it should go even better for TJ.

It sounds like the recruits and players are on board so he has time to go find a good assistant coach. Time will tell.

[GonzoCat]

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I'm calling JP today and telling him I really wanted the job this time, but I hope he will keep me on his short list for next time. Yes, it's true I've never coached or played the game after junior high, but I've watched basketball on TV and I promise to study coaching for the next 3-4 years so I'll be ready if the job ever opens up again.

[Trapped in California]

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From DMR

Hoiberg said the Cyclones will play an up-tempo style of basketball.

"I'd like to get easy baskets before the defense gets set," he said.

Transalation = Loyola Marymount circa 1990. 122.4 Points per game average.

[Newsbreaker]

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Two things:

1)Calling Rhodes a success at this point is a bit premature. He was one fewer Nebby fumble away from having a very different season in 2009. Next year will be an entirely different story.

2)Even assuming Rhodes works out, this is NOTHING like Rhodes. PR was a top-level assistant in BCS-level programs, had years of coaching experience, had plenty of seasoning as a recruiter and knew what he was getting into. As was most accurately said elsewhere, Hoiberg doesn't even know what he doesn't know yet. I have more total basketball coaching victories than he has. He has never assembled a staff, never recruited a single HS player (hell, he's never sat in a single kids living room), and has never drawn up a single game plan. What he "has" is being an up-and-coming executive in a terrible professional basketball operation.

Pollard is buying off ISU fans, but in so doing has made it clear he doesn't give a damn if they win or not. It's stunningly hilarious.

[Marc Wigim]

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Hoiberg said the Cyclones will play an up-tempo style of basketball.

"I'd like to get easy baskets before the defense gets set," he said.

Good luck with that, Freddy. UNI will put an end to that nonsense before it even gets started.

[Purrrrrfect]

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Two things:

1)Calling Rhodes a success at this point is a bit premature. He was one fewer Nebby fumble away from having a very different season in 2009. Next year will be an entirely different story.

2)Even assuming Rhodes works out, this is NOTHING like Rhodes. PR was a top-level assistant in BCS-level programs, had years of coaching experience, had plenty of seasoning as a recruiter and knew what he was getting into. As was most accurately said elsewhere, Hoiberg doesn't even know what he doesn't know yet. I have more total basketball coaching victories than he has. He has never assembled a staff, never recruited a single HS player (hell, he's never sat in a single kids living room), and has never drawn up a single game plan. What he "has" is being an up-and-coming executive in a terrible professional basketball operation.

Pollard is buying off ISU fans, but in so doing has made it clear he doesn't give a damn if they win or not. It's stunningly hilarious.

And you have for a Div. 1 Program? So you have no room to speak.
I disagree with you. Hoiberg has been there, done that as an athlete in his days in the recruiting process and as a Pro executive related to the draft. He may not have COACHING experience, but you don't have to coach a single game to know the game of basketball, the operations of it and what it takes to win. You are trying to limit the word COACHING to a single thing and not to the overall outcome of the student-athlete.

[Newsbreaker]

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And you have for a Div. 1 Program? So you have no room to speak.

You're right. He and I are in the same boat. One of us was just given a Power League HC job, however.

He does have draft experience. Granted that draft was a disaster, and he works for an organization that has found a way to be in the NBA Draft Lottery for 5 consecutive years (and has averaged 25 wins a year while he's been there), so I guess he has that going for him.

The word "operations" is funny. I'm sure the ISU program in the coming years will excel from the "operations" standpoint. Truly outstanding. That doesn't do much to win games, but they'll be operationally All American.

You are trying to limit the word COACHING to a single thing and not to the overall outcome of the student-athlete.

I think it's fair to consider the following things in the definition of coaching, and they might even be the most important:

*Recruiting players, which means more than selecting them off a board and then opening a check book. It's going to mean actually identifying players and then convincing them to come play for you when they have many alternatives.

*Running a practice. You know, getting ready to play the game of basketball.

*Producing a game plan. Scouting the other team, identifying how your team can best compete against them, devising a way to do that and then implementing it.

*Directing players during a game against another competitive team.

Now just imagine how excited Ames would be today if Hoiberg had any experience doing any of that! He'd be quite the catch.

All that really needs to be said about this comes from John Walters:

Q: Would Hoiberg have been hired at any other program in the country?
A: No.

[TH1974]

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I think it's fair to consider the following things in the definition of coaching, and they might even be the most important:

*Recruiting players, which means more than selecting them off a board and then opening a check book. It's going to mean actually identifying players and then convincing them to come play for you when they have many alternatives.

*Running a practice. You know, getting ready to play the game of basketball.

*Producing a game plan. Scouting the other team, identifying how your team can best compete against them, devising a way to do that and then implementing it.

*Directing players during a game against another competitive team.

Now just imagine how excited Ames would be today if Hoiberg had any experience doing any of that! He'd be quite the catch.

Actually, if Hoiberg *did* have that experience, he'd be a worse candidate, because Lickliter, GMac, and Alford all had experience and failed. LOL