Investigation?

[UNIpanther99]

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That's the only one from Gottlieb that I saw regarding the Iowa/UNI game. There was a follow up about Jennsen and how holds grudges against coaches, IIRC

And his Steve Alford feathered 80's hair.

[NEI Panther]

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I hope it is investigated. I haven't been following UNI basketball very long. I'm more of a volleyball fan. After the 2010 Kansas game I was fascinated that our team could go out and beat a number 1 overall seed. So I started watching.

My conclusion is that UNI plays weird defense. It seems to me that the majority of teams that only play us once go away without understanding why they lost. They all seem frustrated. Most are convinced that they beat themselves. They just didn't drive to the basket like they normally do. Or they weren't as aggressive as normal.

I watched the UNI-Iowa game twice. When I saw it live, I thought there were one or two questionable calls. Then, after the controversy, I watched again. Really, I didn't see any different.

I think this is a matter of Iowa fans being typical victims of UNI defense. They don't understand what happened and in their frustration, they blame the refs. I'm not saying that they were perfect, but I think that unbiased "investigators" will exonerate Higgins, et al. So I hope an investigation happens, if that is even possible.

Just my 2 cents.

One thing UNI does very well is not slap at the ball. When they play defence they keep their hands up and when an oponent goes up, they put their hands straight up. (Occasionally Sonnen will move into the player a little, but the hands are up straight). When I re-watched the game, the only really bad call I saw was Moran not getting called for a foul when brommer was called for a travel. Other then that, I didn't see many really outragous calls. Most of the time Iowa was slapping down with a hand, even if they don't touch the other player, it leaves it up to the interpetation of the refs. As for the charging calls, I think everyone of them you see the offensive player has his elbow up and extends an arm. Did we flop a little, maybe but the extension was still there.

Another thing I noticed from my seats was that the refs were on both sets of players right away, you new it was going to be called tight. UNI adjusted, Iowa didn't. Look what happened in the Xavier/Cinncinatti game when the refs don't keep a handle on things. As for the Gatten foul that got Fran ejected, it was the right call. When you watch the replay Gattens runs over Sonnen trying to get to the corner on a fast break.

[clenz]

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i agree with the above post and i will add that iowa's lack of athleticism and habitual commission of charges against EVERYONE compounded their issues. if you noticed, marble is about the only hawkeye with the ability to create his own scoring opportunities and i dont think he had a charge called against him.

Marble is the only one athletic enough to avoid his defender as he makes a move...the rest of Iowa's roster just tries to go through their defender....

[Silent Earl]

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I don't think anyone outside of hawkeyenation thinks the refs were atrocious. There's nothing to investigate, that's just sore loser talk. At worst we got a few homer calls or a few calls because we are the superior, more respected team. You see that in almost every game.

[SteinPizza]

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I slightly disagree with the interpretation of the refs. We did get some homer calls, but not enough to make a big difference, and certainly not enough to effect the outcome to a great degree. It was more than one or two, but not by much. The only call I saw which seemed really brutal was the charge drawn by Sonnen right after the first T. It was bad because Sonnen was probably moving, and the ref seemed to call it to make a statement to Fran. That said, UNI just plays far more sound D than Iowa ever thought of.

If one of the refs does have a vendetta, or is trying to showboat, then it should be investigated. That kind of crap has gone on for far too long in Major League Baseball, and has no business in any sport where victories, career, and money hang in the balance.

[BCPanther]

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The rule of thumb on a block charge call is pretty simple-

If the offensive player's shoulder or forearm hits the defender in the middle of the chest, it's a charge. If the defender takes a glancing blow, obviously leans, or gets hit outside the middle of his body, it's a block. There is too much motion and movement to truly call whether the defender is 'set'...

[SteinPizza]

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The rule of thumb on a block charge call is pretty simple-

If the offensive player's shoulder or forearm hits the defender in the middle of the chest, it's a charge. If the defender takes a glancing blow, obviously leans, or gets hit outside the middle of his body, it's a block. There is too much motion and movement to truly call whether the defender is 'set'...

Disagree. Being set can be fairly obvious. Sonnen was pretty clearly moving on the call I mention. So much so that I almost choked on my beverage while being astonished they called it. That said, the opposite was true on a charge drawn by Pehl - he was clearly set. That was one of the calls that Fran contested, why I don't know.

[JayJ79]

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given how many basketball coaches constantly whine and b#tch at the officials to try and get their way, I would consider it only karmic justice to see some calls such as that just to spite the whiney ones.

[ubuntuCAT]

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Disagree. Being set can be fairly obvious. Sonnen was pretty clearly moving on the call I mention. So much so that I almost choked on my beverage while being astonished they called it. That said, the opposite was true on a charge drawn by Pehl - he was clearly set. That was one of the calls that Fran contested, why I don't know.

Defender does not have to be set in order to draw a charge.

[BCPanther]

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Disagree. Being set can be fairly obvious. Sonnen was pretty clearly moving on the call I mention. So much so that I almost choked on my beverage while being astonished they called it. That said, the opposite was true on a charge drawn by Pehl - he was clearly set. That was one of the calls that Fran contested, why I don't know.

Much easier to see that on TV, you are not also moving, trying to get into position, and trying to look at half a dozen other things. All the while having an immature 55 year old douchebag screaming at you with every move you make...

[Blue42]

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Nice try Hawks.

This is hilarious. Are you investigating the Campbell game too?

As if Iowa didn't have enough to be embarrased about. They find a way to go a little lower.

[UNIMIS2001]

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Nice try Hawks.

This is hilarious. Are you investigating the Campbell game too?

Exactly, KABOOM!

Cancel the series with Campbell now, heck Iowa won't have anyone to play in a few years if they keep canceling series with teams that beat them.

[clenz]

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Defender does not have to be set in order to draw a charge.

This times evelentybillion!

I hate that people don't realize this, and then ***** about the correct call being made because they don't know the rule.


A defender does not have to be standing still for a charge to be called. As long as the defender has "legal guarding position" on the offensive player and the offensive player goes through him it is a charge. Heck, the defender could be jumping in the air and it could be a charge.

It is a block, however, if the defender steps in front of the offensive player without allowing the offensive player a proper amount of time/distance to stop/change direction.

[UNI Prof]

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i understand the sentiment of this board but its important to realize that 90% of people outside of panthernation think that the refs were atrocious in this game. i am talking national people like gottlieb and some others that actually watch as many games as possible.

Do you have data to support "90%" or is that something you came up with on your own?

[9YRPLAN]

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Do you have data to support "90%" or is that something you came up with on your own?

what in the **** do you think? i love "LINK OR IT DIDNT HAPPEN!!" guy.

90% of people ive talked to think the refs were terrible, this includes coaches, beat writers, dudes that called the game, former players from both teams, iowa fans, panther fans, state media, local media, the list goes on...

i think the refs were bad, but not necessarily biased. i have been very clear that i felt like iowas style played right into what UNI tries to do and for someone that has seen UNI three times previously Fran sure did a crappy job of preparing his team.

anyways, my point was that the perception out there is undoubtedly one that thinks the refs sucked no matter whose side you are on.