New Valley Team (to replace Crayton)

[run&blade]

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And North Dakota schools elevate no one.

Uni's recruiting profile would seem to fall in line more with the Dakotas rather than Chicago.

[TH1974]

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Awesome. .

[SteinPizza]

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Uni's recruiting profile would seem to fall in line more with the Dakotas rather than Chicago.

Maybe that's exactly why we've had a couple of semi-disappointing seasons. If you want our Sweet 16 run to be a once in a generation event, then keep thinking in Dakota mode.

[DWadle1983]

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I'm just glad the people on this board are not the ones making the final decision. If that was the case, we're gonna go with only 9 for the foreseeable future. Hey! we're going to have the defending national champion in men's basketball--we only need nine!

If the MVC can't pick up a good 10th team then it is better leaving it at 9. Wait and see how the A10 situation plays out and if picking up a St. Louis might be viable option at some point or see if Belmont can continue their NCAA Tournament runs making them a more attractive program.

[anderjao]

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I'm getting the feeling that the move is more for the exposure to attract Eastern U.S. students. Apparently the administration is naive in what this will cost them to be competitive. The person I know that is a season ticket holder will not go along with a big price increase in season tickets. Tickets for Creighton games in most of the arena are not that expensive. The cost of doing business is going to go up.

That sounds like a pretty valid concern to me. The cost of tickets this last year for Creighton games was a steal (I saw UNI vs. Creighton for $12 at the Century Link Center this year). I imagine that will go up a fair amount when Butler and Marquette are rolling into town.

[lakesbison]

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Ndsu would bring fans to arch madness guaranteed your loss

[Newsbreaker]

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And UIC isn't on the top 50 list for any of that? Those are just meaningless words used by public image people. When we are talking mid major programs the reality is those marketing terms are pointless crap.

The Missouri Valley is elevated by the programs in the league. The Missouri Valley does not elevate the programs in it.

Conferences like the Big Ten have the ability to elevate programs because of the insane money they can pour into its member institutions. The Valley has zero ability to do that.

Who is under the impression that we're adding a top-50 program in any respect? What a strange response.

You're right. Our league doesn't make mediocre better. All options are mediocre, therefore the only logical thing is to see what benefits we can get from a mediocre option. NDSU offers nothing. The Chicago schools at least have the potential of something.

[achrist70]

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Ndsu would bring fans to arch madness guaranteed your loss

Lakes no one on here is arguing that point with you, however Elgin and the conference presidents are looking at more than just how many fans will attend Arch Madness you have to remember that.

[panther2317]

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First question, what media market would the Valley like to expand? How many households can they reach into? What schools in those media markets have athletics programs that generate buzz/excitement in their region? Do they have quality academics?

I guess the question should be, is there a school in that media market that will have the most positive impact for the Valley?

If you find the right media market, I think the question answers itself about school.

[achrist70]

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First question, what media market would the Valley like to expand? How many households can they reach into? What schools in those media markets have athletics programs that generate buzz/excitement in their region? Do they have quality academics?

I guess the question should be, is there a school in that media market that will have the most positive impact for the Valley?

If you find the right media market, I think the question answers itself about school.

1. North Dakota State, ORU, and possibly Belmont
2. That's a lot of math I don't want to do
3. NDSU probably the most out of possible schools
4. Loyola and Belmont probably the two best academically

[williebat]

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First question, what media market would the Valley like to expand? How many households can they reach into? What schools in those media markets have athletics programs that generate buzz/excitement in their region? Do they have quality academics?

I guess the question should be, is there a school in that media market that will have the most positive impact for the Valley?

If you find the right media market, I think the question answers itself about school.

I agree these are the criteria I would use to pick a new team. Unfortunately the only answer that meets those criteria right now is SLU.

Maybe Loyola can generate some buzz if they win. I honestly think they can become a point of discussion on the Chicago radio sports shows. If they win in the NCAA. Might be worth the risk.

College sports will never be the main topic in Chicago. Why would it they have the cubs!!!. But loyala does generate some buzz when they win. They have a good coach and new facilities. They want to compete. They have basketball history.


the more I think about it the more I like Loyola. if UIC comes with them then all the better. But Loyala is a risk worth taking.

[Mike]

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I don't think WSU would consider a move to the A-10. Butler, Charlotte, Temple and Xavier are leaving at the end of this season. If Dayton and St. Louis get an invite to the new Big East, they will be gone too. That conference is unstable right now.

The problem with all of these MVC options is that none of them really compare favorably to Creighton. The reality is that the MVC will not be able to “replace” Creighton which, during the past 17 years that the MVC membership was unchanged, had the highest regular season MVC win percentage (.673), won the most MVC tournament championships (8 in 17 years), had the most 10-win MVC conference seasons (17 in 17 years), had the most 20 win seasons (14 in 17 years), received the most NCAA invitations (9 in 17 years), and led the MVC in attendance for the past 10 years. Further, Creighton arguably had the best academic reputation among MVC schools, and, according to a Wichita Eagle poll, was located in the best city for MVC fans to visit. It feels like Cinderella left the ball and the MVC is having to vote on the best ugly step-sister!

[achrist70]

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Creighton will be replaced by a current MVC team in the sense that a new team is not going to come into the conference and have the impact that Creighton did, however a school in the Valley (I would love for it to be us) is going to have to step up to Creighton's level of overall consistency.

[jnutt]

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Lakes is truly the most delusional person on the planet. I refuse to believe that he is an actual living adult person. Its too terrifying to think otherwise.

i could think of some people that post on here, other messages boards, or have their own radio show that would challenge for the World's Most Delusional Championship Belt

[SteinPizza]

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1. North Dakota State, ORU, and possibly Belmont
2. That's a lot of math I don't want to do
3. NDSU probably the most out of possible schools
4. Loyola and Belmont probably the two best academically

You're joking, right? A North Dakota State "media market"??? Since when do moose count?

OK, so North Dakota is experiencing an oil boom. I'm all for that, but all that means in real, business terms is that 10 people now live there as opposed to 6. Not enough to constitue a media market for college basketball purposes. Sure, there are companies who will find ways to make money off their population surge, and Im all in for that too. But if your options are adding teams in the Chicago, Nashville, Milwaukee, Tulsa media markets, or North Dakota....no brainer.

Keep in mind this pertains to basketball. FCS football, not so much, since it's played at a level where mass interest isn't realistic. MVC level basketball isn't the Big 10, but they can leverage media markets for TV and sponsorship revenue. MVFC football doesn't have the same level of payoff for the advertisers or networks, nor should it. As I've said all along, basketball drives the bus in the MVC.