New Valley Team (to replace Crayton)

[jnutt]

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hell it's probably closer to 50/50 Illinois to Iowa in far as Chicago land people caring about college teams.

[williebat]

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I think we go full court press for SLU or dayton. If not them then don't add anyone.

IMHO I think we only add a team that has proven they are committed to getting to NCAA on regular basis. This is how we make money as a league. If we can't find any takers then we look at investment in facilities and coaches salaries and future potential for greatness.

NDSU and SDSU are not options.

A good marketing team should be able to sell the MVC with dayton and SLU as better than the A-10.

[run&blade]

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I think ndsu is going to get big. Oil money pouring into that state. I see them jumping to the mac in all sports at some point. I think they would be a boost to the valley for the time they would be in it.

[06panther10]

There's only so big that a Dakota school can get. Nobody wants to live, work, or play sports up there.

[jnutt]

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imagine what they would have said about UNI when we joined in the 90s...

[Trapped in California]

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Fargo is cursed by its location, as is Montana. Say what you want, but travel times do not shorten regardless of how the school preforms on the field unless they obtain a Boise State (FB) or Gonzaga (BB) long term success. Those are the exceptions that contrast vividly to the remaining schools.

I vote for the University of Phoenix. They have great FB facilities.

[achrist70]

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I change my vote to Hawaii, if I can get a job as the Men's basketball water boy

[catsize]

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Is it possible that he has some sort of learning disability or something? I mean that honestly.

No, he's a Bison fan, not a Hawkeye fan.

[06panther10]

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imagine what they would have said about UNI when we joined in the 90s...

You know what, I'm sick of people saying this. First of all, who cares what they said? And second of all, its totally irrelevant right now.

The fact is that a) The Valley sucked back then, and b) they were desperate for members. RIGHT NOW, which is the only thing that matters, UNI is a great athletic program, and the Valley is a really good league. We need to be selective and add schools that bring something positive to the league in terms of basketball revenue.

[BCPanther]

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They said terrible things and were very vocal about it. Not that most of the people on this board have any recollection of UNI basketball previous to 2004...

[jnutt]

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You know what, I'm sick of people saying this. First of all, who cares what they said? And second of all, its totally irrelevant right now.

The fact is that a) The Valley sucked back then, and b) they were desperate for members. RIGHT NOW, which is the only thing that matters, UNI is a great athletic program, and the Valley is a really good league. We need to be selective and add schools that bring something positive to the league in terms of basketball revenue.

holy smokes. I was just saying they took a program that didn't even have a basketball facility that was still new to Div I and it ended up paying off in the end. Perhaps Elgin finds a school that doesn't appease the masses initially but pays off down the road. I was putting perspective on the process, not trashing UNI. And like BC said, I didn't follow the program until I came. Hell, I didn't follow college basketball at all.

Gotta find the best fit for the MVC period. Both immediate and long term. A league is as good as it's coaches and we're loaded there.

[TH1974]

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imagine what they would have said about UNI when we joined in the 90s...

Things are quite a bit different these days.

[williebat]

It is up to the university presidents. Wonder what or new pres thinks.

[SteinPizza]

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Why ar people pretending Chicago cares about college sports?

They pay attention when Illinois is good and that is about it. They dont even care about depaul anymore.

I would raher get uw mil. Or north dakota state.

In the end i really dont think it will matter much. Most people couldnt name all the teams in the mid major conferences and Butler showed it doesnt take a village to become known.

I dont see the point in worrying about chicago because they are not going to start putting games on WGN.

I live here, and you're incorrect. 1) the demographics and TV market alone dictate you want a presence here, which the MVC doesn't currently have. 2) showing the games on WGN isn't realistic to begin with, but the whole league would benefit from recruiting avenues this opens, and the team(s) added would get more exposure due to a higher level of competition, and games against schools with an alumni following here (ISU, BU, SIU). 3) Chicago is an absolutely sports-crazed town, college or pro.

I have an obvious bias, but would also be perfectly happy if a solid basketball program were added. Belmont, Murray State, Valpo...the MVC is a step up for any of them. A Chicago add would be more about TV market exposure and revenue, although Loyola has the resources and alumni to back up Porter Moser if he gets hot/lucky with a couple of recruits and all of a sudden they're pretty good.

[Herdman]

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I live here, and you're incorrect. 1) the demographics and TV market alone dictate you want a presence here, which the MVC doesn't currently have. 2) showing the games on WGN isn't realistic to begin with, but the whole league would benefit from recruiting avenues this opens, and the team(s) added would get more exposure due to a higher level of competition, and games against schools with an alumni following here (ISU, BU, SIU). 3) Chicago is an absolutely sports-crazed town, college or pro.

I have an obvious bias, but would also be perfectly happy if a solid basketball program were added. Belmont, Murray State, Valpo...the MVC is a step up for any of them. A Chicago add would be more about TV market exposure and revenue, although Loyola has the resources and alumni to back up Porter Moser if he gets hot/lucky with a couple of recruits and all of a sudden they're pretty good.

Outstanding post, dead on! I'm glad you were able to make the point that I clearly was unable to do. The SIU, ISUr and BU fan support in the Chicago market make bring Loyola and UIC to the MVC a no brainer. There is a good number of ISUb and a better number of D+ alums here too.

I could see say Northwestern play Wichita State on Friday night and then play either Loyola or UIC on Sunday. There use to be those kind of matchups worked out in years past and would work. What if UNI played Loyola on a Friday and then UIC on Sunday, no UNI fans would make the trip to Chicago for the weekend?